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Re: [opensuse] desktop folder icons
- From: Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:48:36 +0100
- Message-id: <201101282048.36866.sven.burmeister@gmx.net>
Am Freitag, 28. Januar 2011, 19:38:35 schrieb John Andersen:
Sorry, but that's complete bollocks! What you claim is that a user without any
knowledge regarding a computer is more likely to know that CTRL+click selects
multiple items compared to finding out that clicking on the "+" does so.
And even if you tell him, your claim would be that learning CTRL+click =
selecting is easier although there no logic to it and you have to remember the
name of the key since it might also be ALT which is nearby. All that according
to you is easier than learning "+" = add to selection and "-" = substract from
selection.
Nobody will ever guess that CTRL+click does multiple selections, simply
because there is no logic behind that combination. It's only discoverable by
chance, no hints, nothing.
The "+" is visible which makes it a lot easier to discover in the first place,
it is click-able, i.e. you do not even need to know that you can combine keys
leaving alone remembering how that key was named, it mediates its purpose by a
symbol, i.e. "+" = add, it signals that it does have a functionality by
appearing, i.e. attracting your attention and thus increases the likelihood
that the user will just try to click on it.
The space used for the "+" is a lot smaller than the rest of the UI, so
chances are that if you really hit that spot accidentally it is a lot more
likely that you click on a file and execute it, e.g. a script which might ddo
some harm - so following your logic there should be no clicks at all without
having to press an extra button.
Further you assume that users fail to notice that they clicked on a file, they
might as well fail to notice that they pressed a key. And even if they did -
you also assume that they fail to notice when deleting (since anything else is
non-destructive) that the list of files they get asked to delete is different
from what they want to delete? You might as well win the lottery.
It really feels like you just wanted to make a point because of some hard
feelings regarding KDE4 stuff.
Sven
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I tend to agree that far from being "intuitive" the plus is the least
understood part of the file management interface. Everybody from every
background understands control-click or shift-click, but the plus is just
out of place and not found any where else on any platform.
Sorry, but that's complete bollocks! What you claim is that a user without any
knowledge regarding a computer is more likely to know that CTRL+click selects
multiple items compared to finding out that clicking on the "+" does so.
And even if you tell him, your claim would be that learning CTRL+click =
selecting is easier although there no logic to it and you have to remember the
name of the key since it might also be ALT which is nearby. All that according
to you is easier than learning "+" = add to selection and "-" = substract from
selection.
Nobody will ever guess that CTRL+click does multiple selections, simply
because there is no logic behind that combination. It's only discoverable by
chance, no hints, nothing.
The "+" is visible which makes it a lot easier to discover in the first place,
it is click-able, i.e. you do not even need to know that you can combine keys
leaving alone remembering how that key was named, it mediates its purpose by a
symbol, i.e. "+" = add, it signals that it does have a functionality by
appearing, i.e. attracting your attention and thus increases the likelihood
that the user will just try to click on it.
It detracts from usability, a leads to accidents as its easy to accidents
as a accidental click selects files/folders that can get deleted/moved
when you scroll them out of view while failing to notice the Plus is
selected.
The space used for the "+" is a lot smaller than the rest of the UI, so
chances are that if you really hit that spot accidentally it is a lot more
likely that you click on a file and execute it, e.g. a script which might ddo
some harm - so following your logic there should be no clicks at all without
having to press an extra button.
Further you assume that users fail to notice that they clicked on a file, they
might as well fail to notice that they pressed a key. And even if they did -
you also assume that they fail to notice when deleting (since anything else is
non-destructive) that the list of files they get asked to delete is different
from what they want to delete? You might as well win the lottery.
It really feels like you just wanted to make a point because of some hard
feelings regarding KDE4 stuff.
Sven
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