Am Sonntag, 23. Januar 2011, 04:31:16 schrieb Rajko M.:
On Saturday, January 15, 2011 08:19:24 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
I think the wiki re-organisation did not really improve things, but google should get you past that and to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_upgrade#Upgrade_to_KDE_4.5
You can't blame wiki for portal page that is not fixed since it was established. We still have red links to non existing pages.
So who caused those red links? Shouldn't that people also fix them? AFAIK there were no red links on the old wiki's page.
The KDE page [1] is not a main page, it is current release (11.3) KDE presentation, but as such, it should contain links to more reading, so that people are not stuck on that page and have to look for Google, and find there Kubuntu :)
As you can see on the other language's wiki the old KDE page included a section on how to update KDE, the current one misses that. So regarding that aspect the new wiki did not improve the situation but worsened it. Most people are not interested in a description of what KDE is but how to update, report bugs, get packages, get help etc. So from my point of view http://en.opensuse.org/KDE is useless, duplicating information that is available at kde.org already and hides information on updating etc. I know that the former /KDE page did also contain that info BUT it had the other information as well and that important bit was split away by somebody who should have known better or at least fixed the links he left broken and not just some link in the "see also" section at the bottom of the page.
Besides we have nice and sincerely very effective Google custom search: http://en.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:GoogleSearch
Hm, if I use the "search" at the top of the page and enter "packagekit" http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=packagekit&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns102=1&redirs=1 it finds four pages but not http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_11.4_packagekit so I would not claim that the search on the wiki is effective and that search is what the user that comes to the wiki sees and uses. The search you mention seems pretty well hidden as well.
I'd agree on that, especially having the "Portal" link at the very bottom of the wiki's KDE page http://en.opensuse.org/KDE ist not very helpful.
Despite portal page being in a not so good shape, link issue is fixed. Now link is directly in the page Intro.
I do not see any useful link in the first paragraph of http://en.opensuse.org/KDE that would lead the user to the portal.
At the last meeting the idea cam up to put the KR45 and KR46 repos into the community repositories list one can access via YaST.
That would be the idea, and I'm not sure why it is not used before.
Because there was no KR45 when 11.3 was released and because it is debatable whether major version upgrades should be supported by adding them to the list.
I see in 11.3 something that I can't figure out should I use or not: KDE:UpdatedApps and something that I assume I can use: KDE:Extra
What about the search on the wiki? ;)
First, why it is used geekish KDE:UpdatedApps instead of "KDE updated applications" or "KDE applications updates".
That could indeed be changed although updated apps and updated applications should not really make a difference.
Second, we always refer to upstream versions. No one is using UpdatedApps, nor "updated applications", so having upstream version in repository description will help users to find them after reading announcements, mail lists, forums.
So you want each application that is part of the repo in the description of the repo. I can forward that. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org