Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (946 mails)

[Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>]

On Friday 08 October 2010 17:37:28 Peter Van Lone wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx> 
wrote:
> > So I claim using CTRL and SHIFT for selecting files is rather less
> > straight- fowrward because you cannot know about it without learning it
> > or reading about it since there are no hints in the GUI. Why CTRL and
> > not ALT? Why SHIFT for selecting one way and CTRL the other, why not the
> > other way around? Why is a key that is used to switch to uppercase used
> > for selecting multiple files, where is the obvious link between the two
> > features to map them to the same key? Where is the logic? Or was it not
> > rather something set-up artificially and learnt rather than a good
> > design usability-wise?
>
> of course it was learned - as any behavior is. So a couple generations
> now of people have learned this way - that is a huge number of
> computer-users. My 10 yr old daughter knows this process very well and
> learned it very easily. Now you want her to "learn" another way which
> YOU think is easier/better because it is hinted in the GUI. But -
> perhaps SHE feels that it is clumsy and not as good as the way she has
> learned.

So she can pick/create a software that fits her needs. She's got the same 
freedom of choice developers do.

> Who is right? Which opinion is the better one -- and which
> approach will feel most comfortable for the greatest number of people,
> which would most people choose if they had a choice?

As I stated. Show me the logic behind CTRL+SHIFT that makes them the better 
choice.

> I don't know the answer to many of these questions, and here is the
> thing: NEITHER DO YOU - so why would you run about making changes to
> default behavior (and preventing the "old way" from working, at the
> same time) based solely upon YOUR OWN choices?
>
> > Common sense?
>
> lol! Get serious -- there is no more "common sense" then there is
> magical intuition, when it comes to the design of a GUI for a computer
> system. Please.
>
> > How do you know about CTRL being linked to slecting multiple
> >
> > files? Did you guess? Was it obvious? Was it a hint the GUI gave you? You
> > learnt it.
>
> again - of course it was learned. By many millions of people for many
> years -- yet you would simply dismiss this shared learning and move to
> something that YOU decide is clearly better. Again, my question: based
> on what? It appears no study or systematic information gathering, so
> it is your own (and others, clearly) judgment.
>
> Hmmm

Ease of learning. Whoever could learn and get acusomed to CTRL + SHIFt 
although there is no logic behind using those keys for selection will easily 
learn the new way. Just because something was learnt already does not mean 
there is no better way, especially when it does not follow any logic but "it 
has always been this way".

Sven
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