Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1839 mails)

[Sinisa <sinisa@xxxxxxx>]

 On 09/22/10 17:07, Richard Creighton wrote:
> On 2010-09-22 Sinisa offered the following:
> >    Hello group,
> >
> > does anybody using KOTD knows if it is possible to find older builds.
> >
> > To be more precise, some time ago I have installed 2.6.35.1 (final
> > release at that time) on one of my PCs. Now, I would like to install it
> > on another PC(s), but KOTD moved on to 2.6.36-rc, and I cannot find
> > 2.6.35 any more. There is repository called "v2.6.35", but inside is
> > currently  2.6.35-rc3, while latest stable kernel (from kernel.org) is
> > 2.6.35.5.
> >
> > I know I can build it from sources at kernel.org, but (as many others
> > have said before) I would like it SUSE way.
> > I could even just copy relevant paths to another PC, and remake
> > menu.lst, but that would be far from manageable in the future...
> >
> >
> > Maybe there should be repos with all of the latest stable versions which
> > appeared after latest distribution release?
> > At the moment, that would be only 2.6.35.5, soon to be followed by
> > 2.6.36 when 2.6.37 cycle begins.
> >
> >
> > Regads,
> > Siniša Bandin
> I am going to hazard a guess...in regard to KOTD, no, KOTD is a very dynamic,
> fluid thing, and from day to day represents kind of a test of various fixes
> and it-might-work releases that in most cases won't make it into any update or
> release.   They might be one step closer than one of the individual developer
> compilations you might be able to get while helping debug a kernel bug
> directly from the programmer.
Yes, I know that, and that is exactly the reason why I use it: because I 
like to be in front of my customers and have solutions to their problem 
before they became even aware that they have a problem.

>   If you want to create a personal repo, each
> time you do a KOTD download, be sure and download the SOURCE and any other
> ancillary files (symbols, etc) you might need at the same time.

That might work, but ... the moment 2.6.36 came into development, 
previous 2.6.35 vanished from HEAD.
After some time, 2.6.35 was upgraded bit by bit to the current 2.5.35.5, 
and that one never made it's way to KOTD because there is newer -rc, so 
even if I downloaded HEAD every day, I would never have a chance of 
finding it there.

What would be the right place to place my wish?


>    Otherwise, the distro release repos are probably the only stable source.  
> The Update repo
> *may* also have the patches to the latest version(s) as well, though I am not
> sure it would have the sources.  If the sources aren't available from the
> update repo, probably the latest source can be used and the configuration can
> be derived from the intermediate kernel itself.
>
> I would also like to suggest creating a local repo for ALL files you use on
> any of your home systems for any version of openSuSE.   If you upgrade to a
> more current version and it turns out to be 'broken' for your particular
> system, it is possible the 'official' distros won't have an earlier version
> you can reinstall to get back to the previous (hopefully functional) version
> you were using.   To assist you with that, I suggest going to one of our
> members, David Rankin,
>
>   http://www.3111skyline.com/linux/openSuSE-LocalUpdate.php#zyppmerge
>
> and download his 'zyppmerge' package.   It took a lot of work on his part and
> with a very little effort on your part, will result in a almost effortless way
> to create and update your local repository for any/all of your local machines
> with all of the ACTUAL programs you use on any of your local systems.   When a
> distro is changed, say from 11.3 to 11.4, you can burn it to a DVD and start
> again, knowing you can go back if 11.4 doesn't go well for you....
>
> Don't forget to download the SRC file/rpms even if you don't actually install
> them, at least you'll have the sources available if in the future you need to
> make changes and the original vendor is kaput...
>
> I started this with 11.3 (wish I had done it earlier, and I believe David has
> his back to 11.0).   Your prrivate distro would not be too large, only
> containing what you ACTUALLY have installed and used, not everything that you
> *might* have used that is on the install DVD or wherever.   It would also
> contain stuff from Pacman and OBS that you actually use.
>
> If you do use this package, I think David would appreciate a 'thank you'...
>
>
> Richard
Nice piece of software, but not what I need.


Siniša

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