On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 20:39, Charles Obler
I'll keep your advice about a new KDE concept in mind. However, I think we have a right to expect a more gradual transition to this new concept, with time for feedback, time to evaluate the new concept and correct flaws.
It's been close to 2 years - an eternity in Linux development... a very rocky and rough two years, but still.. that has not been a case of springing KDE4 on us all in one step. Has it been gradual... depends on how you look at it. Stepping from 10.2 to 11.2... certainly not, but if you've kept up with the releases, it's been pretty sequential. I'll say again... KDE4 is *NOT* KDE3 with patches and bug fixes... it's is a whole new WM with a new concept in how a WM works. It's a rewrite to take advantage of QT4. It's a chance for the devs to take an unmanageable mess on the code side and rebuild it. This rebuild means that while some code and concepts are carried over, not all are. Some parts are totally rewritten... which means that they only provide the basics and the most essential bits to begin with and the feature we need/want are added back as time progresses,and we comment on and raise bug reports.
It should be possible to adopt elements of the new concept one by one, while retaining and deprecating the old concept.
Only if it's an evolution of a product. If it's a re-think of how it works, it certainly cannot. To use a path we are probably all familiar with, look at the WM changes when Microsoft stepped from Win3.1 to Win95. That was not an adoption of new concepts one by one.. that was a complete re-think. And now just to attempt to put off the twits on this list.. no, I am not saying Microsoft is the example we are following... it's just an example to illustrate the point... nothing more.
This is especially true when the old concept is working just fine!
Was it? Or is it familiar like an old shoe with holes in it? Once you start using KDE4, and you get your mind around the differences, you will see where the devs are taking it... and it seems to be in a nice direction. Yah there's splashy bits.. some people like them.. others don't. They can be toggled on or off really easily. Those same splashy bits were available in KDE3 (albeit not turned on by default), but the moaners on the list conveniently ignore that fact.
And there's no excuse for eliminating functionality!
As has been stated here over and over.. the functionality is not eliminated so much as it has not been put back in yet. They are working on it... and very fast too.
When developers start doing that, I suspect them of playing Big Brother
Then talk to them. I've done just that. I've gone to LinuxTag in Berlin for example.. stopped at the KDE booth and talked to the devs who were there. It's an interesting conversation.... they aren't playing Big Brother.. they are just a bunch of people who have an idea they are trying to build on - most of them are doing this in their spare time... evenings and weekends... not as a paid developer. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org