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Re: [opensuse] Is it fair to conclude that......
- From: David Haller <dnh@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:35:42 +0100
- Message-id: <20091205093542.GA10341@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hello,
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, Mike McMullin wrote:
Oh please, guys (and gals)! Do not blame shortcomings of KDE or Gnome
in whichever version on openSUSE! Regardless of the fact that
Novell/SuSE may alter some defaults (themes etc.) or whatever.
I personally couldn't care less about what's happening with either
desktop, as I use WindowMaker. And my 11.2 runs quite smooth, thank
you very much, even though I did an upgrade from 11.1 32bit to 11.2
64bit, using a minimally unpacked ISO to boot+install from HD. And
despite the fact that I made a couple of mistakes in the process! And,
as far as I've used them thus far, KDE/QT and Gnome/Gtk apps run quite
well under oS 11.2/WindowMaker, as much as they used to (or ever do or
will), e.g. k3b.
So, complain about KDE $whatever, or Gnome $whatever under $whatever
openSUSE version, but don't complain about openSUSE itself! Only do
complain, when a change done by SUSE is actually the culprit ...
Oh, and it's not that I haven't got anything to bitch about 11.2 (and
older), but the stuff that really bugs me is basically independent of
the distribution (e.g. udev[1], bash-completion (I've disabled
it)[2]). I don't blame that stuff on SUSE. As I know it's from
"upstream". I'd get that crap on Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, $whatever
too. And I don't have time to do an LFS for that box that runs oS
$current.
My main box runs a homespun bastard dubbed "Hallerlix" (not by me
originally), which started out, over 10 years ago, as a SuSE 6.2, and
which is now very much bastardized and updated. And which fits _my_
needs quite exactly. Only some stuff that doesn't compile with a not
*that* old gcc-3.3.5 is missing, primarily libboost and dependent
stuff. Currently, I'm wrestling with compiling a new "current"
gcc-4.4.0[3] with the available gcc-3.3.5, no luck thus far.
Oh, and since a few days ago, I have a scripted-away sudo-chroot to
some ubuntu glibc[4] dir for a binary-only-app that requires a glibc
newer that I've got ;) Yay!
-dnh
[1] Fuck it! Sideways! I had to replace the MoBo and thus, the MAC of
the NIC changed. I only stumbled on eth0 being tied to the old MAC
in the fucking udev confs. What the fuck were they smoking?
Windows Manuals^W^Wprinted-out Windows helpfiles?
What the fuck IS it anyway with imitating Windows stupidities?
[2] e.g. neither me nor mplayer care about the extension of a file,
another Windows stupidity, and if I have only foo.bar in a
directory, which happens to be an mp3, ac3, avi, mpeg, flv, or
whatever you may have that mplayer can play, I want <TAB> to
expand mpla<TAB>f<TAB> to 'mplayer foo.bar'. Lists of filename
extensions are _always_ doomed to be incomplete and/or wrong. Most
likely both.
Well, actually, I didn't disable it completely. Currently, it only
expands yast2 arguments though. Haven't got around to enable more
options/arguments for other apps due to lack of interest and time.
Simple, plain old command and filename completion suffices.
Complex commands get "scripted" or aliased away. Which has led to
rather complex wrapper-scripts around e.g. mplayer and rpm(build)
(which I developed on the main box, then ported to the new box
with 10.2/11.1/11.2). Go figure.
[3] which was the latest when I started
[4] Had a "warty" ISO lying around, which sufficed ;)
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On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 11:09 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
....most, if not all, complaints about oS11.2 and KDE 4 come from peopleI haven't installed 11.2 on anything yet, but my complaints with 11.1
who have installed 11.2 on *laptops* and not on desktop PCs?
came after installing on a desktop computer. Laptop use is also
important for me, but if 11.2 fails on the desktop, it won't even be
considered for my laptop. I really have my doubts about the way KDE is
going.
Funnily enough after installing 11.2, I started longing for the
"classic" gnome UI (that you get with Fedora and Ubuntu) , and not the
Novell style, which I just don't find appealing.
Oh please, guys (and gals)! Do not blame shortcomings of KDE or Gnome
in whichever version on openSUSE! Regardless of the fact that
Novell/SuSE may alter some defaults (themes etc.) or whatever.
I personally couldn't care less about what's happening with either
desktop, as I use WindowMaker. And my 11.2 runs quite smooth, thank
you very much, even though I did an upgrade from 11.1 32bit to 11.2
64bit, using a minimally unpacked ISO to boot+install from HD. And
despite the fact that I made a couple of mistakes in the process! And,
as far as I've used them thus far, KDE/QT and Gnome/Gtk apps run quite
well under oS 11.2/WindowMaker, as much as they used to (or ever do or
will), e.g. k3b.
So, complain about KDE $whatever, or Gnome $whatever under $whatever
openSUSE version, but don't complain about openSUSE itself! Only do
complain, when a change done by SUSE is actually the culprit ...
Oh, and it's not that I haven't got anything to bitch about 11.2 (and
older), but the stuff that really bugs me is basically independent of
the distribution (e.g. udev[1], bash-completion (I've disabled
it)[2]). I don't blame that stuff on SUSE. As I know it's from
"upstream". I'd get that crap on Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, $whatever
too. And I don't have time to do an LFS for that box that runs oS
$current.
My main box runs a homespun bastard dubbed "Hallerlix" (not by me
originally), which started out, over 10 years ago, as a SuSE 6.2, and
which is now very much bastardized and updated. And which fits _my_
needs quite exactly. Only some stuff that doesn't compile with a not
*that* old gcc-3.3.5 is missing, primarily libboost and dependent
stuff. Currently, I'm wrestling with compiling a new "current"
gcc-4.4.0[3] with the available gcc-3.3.5, no luck thus far.
Oh, and since a few days ago, I have a scripted-away sudo-chroot to
some ubuntu glibc[4] dir for a binary-only-app that requires a glibc
newer that I've got ;) Yay!
-dnh
[1] Fuck it! Sideways! I had to replace the MoBo and thus, the MAC of
the NIC changed. I only stumbled on eth0 being tied to the old MAC
in the fucking udev confs. What the fuck were they smoking?
Windows Manuals^W^Wprinted-out Windows helpfiles?
What the fuck IS it anyway with imitating Windows stupidities?
[2] e.g. neither me nor mplayer care about the extension of a file,
another Windows stupidity, and if I have only foo.bar in a
directory, which happens to be an mp3, ac3, avi, mpeg, flv, or
whatever you may have that mplayer can play, I want <TAB> to
expand mpla<TAB>f<TAB> to 'mplayer foo.bar'. Lists of filename
extensions are _always_ doomed to be incomplete and/or wrong. Most
likely both.
Well, actually, I didn't disable it completely. Currently, it only
expands yast2 arguments though. Haven't got around to enable more
options/arguments for other apps due to lack of interest and time.
Simple, plain old command and filename completion suffices.
Complex commands get "scripted" or aliased away. Which has led to
rather complex wrapper-scripts around e.g. mplayer and rpm(build)
(which I developed on the main box, then ported to the new box
with 10.2/11.1/11.2). Go figure.
[3] which was the latest when I started
[4] Had a "warty" ISO lying around, which sufficed ;)
--
I was going to compile a list of innovations that could be
attributed to Microsoft. Once I realized that Ctrl-Alt-Del
was handled in the BIOS, I found that there aren't any. --unknown
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