Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2525 mails)

[John Andersen <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Thursday 19 November 2009 04:53:19 am Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 19/11/09 23:12, ne... wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:40, Istvan Gabor <suseuser04@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > I don't think that making a working xorg.conf file is that simple.
> > > Especially if one does not know exactly which of those many lines  does
> > > what. If I understand correctly sax2 was removed from 11.2. How can I
> > > make an xorg.conf file then from scratch? It would be ridiculous (and
> > > also very bad) if the application that could be used for creating an
> > > xorg.conf file easily was removed from the distro.
> >
> > Xorg -configure. Please read up on the Xorg man page.
> >
> > ne...
>
> ne, how many new users of openSUSE and installing oS for the first time
> after using...I cannot type the name  :'(  ... are familiar with the
> fact to "read up on the Xorg man page".
>
> To them, what the heck is a "man page"?!
>
> I know, and you know, but what about the poor bugger who buys a Linux
> magazine with openSUSE 11.2 on it and tries to install it but doesn't
> have his video correctly configured?
>
> OK already, he finally gets to this mail list and asks the question -
> and he sees your response, "read up.....the Xorg man page". Around the
> mullberry bush we go....what is "man page"?
>
> And to top it all all off, manuals are written for those people who
> already KNOW about the subject; manuals are NOT written to provide the
> novice with the necessary information to resolve his/her query. Known
> fact in the environment where non-programmers have to deal with
> programmers - as I did. Look at the "man pages", generally. How many
> actually give you an example, a clear-cut, simple example(s), which
> shows "if you want to do this then type this on the command line"? :-)
>
> BC

The obvious answer to this situation, unfortunately, is ONE WORD:  Kubuntu.

I even suspect this is what the Opensuse developers secretly wish: Go away, 
noob and 
don't bother us.

I've been using suse since 7.1 or something.  I'm use to it, know that you 
really can't
expect it to do all the things you want it to do out of the box and know about 
all
the other good repositories you have to add.

Because of this its only taken me three days to get OS 11.2 up and running, but 
I still
have some issues with my previously perfectly working ATI card.  (With no help
in sight for that).

I've been using Kubuntu in a virtual machine for some time, and it JUST WORKS.

Its becoming obvious that any advantage provided by YAST is overwhelmed 
by the amount of time you spend tracking down solutions for deliberately broken
packages, missing features, missing manuals, no built in help. 



-- 
If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers
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