Listmates, As I have mentioned before, I have been working with both e16 and e17 desktops (both stable, excellent desktops that work well as a primary, but more importantly as a remote via vnc or nx). There are quite a few hidden features in e16 like the ability to add Init, Start and Stop directories of applications to run on X-init, enlightenment Start and Stop that you can use to autostart or autokill apps. There is plenty of keyboard and mouse binding flexibility and what seems like an endless number of good desktop themes. (2 favorites for e16: Ganymede & DarkOne) The initial setup does a good job of creating menus of all apps. It separates the apps into Gnome/KDE/Other main folders. The menu scheme is done in simple text files that makes customizing menus a simple matter. Just thought I would post a couple of screenshots of the tools available and of the desktop for any who may be interested. I have 2 desktops with my desktop "areas" laid out in a 4x1 grid. So the result of having two desktops makes 8 desktop areas (that you would normally just call desktops). The config is (desktop 1 on top, dt2 on the bottom): 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 The first screenshot show the top desktop with all tools hidden (you can see the titlebars for the tools top-right and bottom left: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/ss/e/e16/e-16-killer-setup-epps- in-1024.jpg The second shot shows the bottom desktop with all tools extended (they just hide/unhide using the title bar and middle-mouse wheel) http://www.3111skyline.com/download/ss/e/e16/e-16-killer-setup-1024.jpg Also since you have upper and lower desktops, you can do some neat stuff with the background just be rotating the image 180 degrees (if it is direction). I'm not completely done tweaking the internals, but the looks of the desktop and the tools I will use are pretty much done. Give it either e16 or e17 a try. Small install and easy setup. There are several build service repos, but the follow repo contains everything in one place: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/Enlightenment/openSUSE_11.0/ -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org