Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1702 mails)

[Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>]

Am Freitag, 4. September 2009 06:30:38 schrieb Bob S:
> Let me see here. Maybe I am too thick-headed to understand. In KDE3 I run
>  six virtual desktops. I can run several different apps in each one. When I
>  switch my "activity" to a different desktop my apps open in that desktop
>  and are there waiting for me. And switch again, and again.... Everything I
>  wanted is waiting there for me.  I can even shut down and reboot and there
>  they are...all patiently waiting for me. How is this so markedly different
>  in KDE4 activities?

You confuse plasmoids and windows/apps.

> What additional functions are we talking about here? KDE3 seems to do
> everything I need.

So? KDE4 then does now as well, nothing to complain anymore, yet you continue 
to whine.

> I guess that when I install 11.2 I will have to get used
> to it. Seems like an awful lot of "motion" to get the same result.

E.g. Plasmoids.

> This is where you are way off base and dead wrong. The wallpapers on KDE3
>  were far from "bling" They provided you a way to see where you are on the
>  desktop. I sometimes wonder if you ever really used KDE3 and ever explored
>  all of it's many features.

I always thought that applications are what users are looking for when 
switching desktops and not the wallpaper. Because apart from the wallpaper and 
the applications in KDE3 everything is the same on each virtual desktop.

> I really doubt that anyone who is on this list and a long time user
>  complains just for the sake of complaining. They know what they are
>  talking about and voicing their real concerns and educated opinions.

Yes, wallpapers are crucial to getting any work done!

> > With KDE4 and widgets however, the user has new issue, i.e. the area
> > where he can place widgets is finite. So one has to pick which ones and
> > their content. That decision depends on the context, i.e. a widget that
> > might be useful for the office might not at home and vice versa. Same for
> > the content, e.g. the feeds you watch while in the office might be
> > different from those you watch at home, because the latter are rather
> > private while the former are work-related. You might even need more space
> > because your hobby calls for yet another content or set of widgets. Same
> > for the apps on the panel.
>
> Yeah, right! Can't have it so simple anymore. Like just open another
>  desktop with the chosen apps in them.

You miss the point. If you do not use plasmoids, you can do exactly that, just 
as you did in KDE3. If you use plasmoids however and want different on each 
desktop, including different panels you need activities and KDE3 could not do 
that. 

> > Hence plasma has to offer a way to fill the need to be able to have
> > different sets of widgets. One could simply use two or more users,
> > instead they introduced activities.
>
> Call them widgets, plasmoids, whatever. They just represent applications.

Ah, a plasmoid is a window, now I see why you do not get it. In that case KDE3 
could not have two different panel-applications on different virtual desktops, 
KDE4 can. and btw. plasmoids are different, as a wallpaper is not windeco 
either.

> > They allow one user to have several different
> > desktops and not only regarding the wallpaper, i.e. the look, but actual
> > functionality.
>
> Thought we already had that, as described above.

No, KDE3 could only have different wallpapers, nothing more.

> > You do not have to use it, but just because you think it is not useful to
> > you does not mean that there is no need for it. Nobody ever needed
> > different wallpapers per virtual desktop,
>
> Wrong !, as described above.

Ok, if you need them to get your work done, fair enough. I just wonder how 
people that use a plain background could ever get any work done. I could even 
claim that I need activities, i.e. a different plasmoid per virtual dekstop to 
get my work done because they show me what desktop I am on, just in case I 
cannot see the windows on the desktop, i.e. the apps...

> > it is just nice to have.
> > Activities are far more useful
>
> You need to explain why. Details please! Rather than just bullying on about
> it's virtues. I'm willing to learn.

It's opensource, nobody has to explain you anything. You get it for free and 
have the choice to either use it or not. Complaining about something you will 
not use anyway is just whining.

> > than having different wallpapers, so
> > complaining about the former but demanding the latter is yet another hint
> > towards trolling.
>
> Really really WRONG! You are the troll, about "activities"

You try too hard, honestly. Please stop whining about things you get for free 
and do not use anyway. If you do not need activities but for wallpapers, use 
them for that and stop telling others that they must not see any usefulness in 
them, just because you don't.

Sven
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