On Thursday 03 September 2009 02:47:03 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 14:21:16 schrieb Ken Schneider - openSUSE:
Wow. And all this time I have been using multiple desktops to do this. I wish all the former "Windows" programmers (who only had one desktop to work with) now working on KDE4 would learn what virtual desktops do instead of re-inventing the wheel.
Since the widgets on each virtual desktop are the same without activities, I doubt that you could do what activities are about without them.
Let me see here. Maybe I am too thick-headed to understand. In KDE3 I run six virtual desktops. I can run several different apps in each one. When I switch my "activity" to a different desktop my apps open in that desktop and are there waiting for me. And switch again, and again.... Everything I wanted is waiting there for me. I can even shut down and reboot and there they are...all patiently waiting for me. How is this so markedly different in KDE4 activities?
You couls have had different wallpapers on each in KDE3, yet that is just a minor feature of activities and using it to claim that activities > re-invents the wheel just shows that you deliberately ignore the additional functionality which was not available without them in KDE3.
What additional functions are we talking about here? KDE3 seems to do everything I need. I guess that when I install 11.2 I will have to get used to it. Seems like an awful lot of "motion" to get the same result.
Is this supposed to be easier then one single click on the taskbar to choose a different desktop?
Before KDE4 there was no plasma and hence no widgets on the desktop. The only change regarding virtual desktops was that in KDE4 they could not have different wallpapers. The latter does not hinder work, one might even call it bling.
This is where you are way off base and dead wrong. The wallpapers on KDE3 were far from "bling" They provided you a way to see where you are on the desktop. I sometimes wonder if you ever really used KDE3 and ever explored all of it's many features.
Anyway, with KDE 4.3 even that is back and whether it is called activities or whatever, now virtual desktops can even have different wallpapers again,
Well, thank goodness for that. We are back to square one.
so even those that depend on that feature and would not get any work done without it, i.e. KDE4 was useless for them without that very feature, have nothing to complain anymore regarding virtual desktops in regard to KDE3. If they continue to do so, one knows they they complain for the sake of it.
I really doubt that anyone who is on this list and a long time user complains just for the sake of complaining. They know what they are talking about and voicing their real concerns and educated opinions.
With KDE4 and widgets however, the user has new issue, i.e. the area where he can place widgets is finite. So one has to pick which ones and their content. That decision depends on the context, i.e. a widget that might be useful for the office might not at home and vice versa. Same for the content, e.g. the feeds you watch while in the office might be different from those you watch at home, because the latter are rather private while the former are work-related. You might even need more space because your hobby calls for yet another content or set of widgets. Same for the apps on the panel.
Yeah, right! Can't have it so simple anymore. Like just open another desktop with the chosen apps in them.
Hence plasma has to offer a way to fill the need to be able to have different sets of widgets. One could simply use two or more users, instead they introduced activities.
Call them widgets, plasmoids, whatever. They just represent applications.
They allow one user to have several different desktops and not only regarding the wallpaper, i.e. the look, but actual functionality.
Thought we already had that, as described above.
You do not have to use it, but just because you think it is not useful to you does not mean that there is no need for it. Nobody ever needed different wallpapers per virtual desktop,
Wrong !, as described above.
it is just nice to have. Activities are far more useful
You need to explain why. Details please! Rather than just bullying on about it's virtues. I'm willing to learn.
than having different wallpapers, so complaining about the former but demanding the latter is yet another hint towards trolling.
Really really WRONG! You are the troll, about "activities"
Sven
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