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Re: [opensuse] Whoop! Finally - 2 rows on kde4 kicker ("plasma-panel")
- From: Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:47:03 +0200
- Message-id: <200909030847.03656.sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx>
Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 14:21:16 schrieb Ken Schneider - openSUSE:
Since the widgets on each virtual desktop are the same without activities, I
doubt that you could do what activities are about without them. You could have
had different wallpapers on each in KDE3, yet that is just a minor feature of
activities and using it to claim that activities re-invents the wheel just
shows that you deliberately ignore the additional functionality which was not
available without them in KDE3.
Before KDE4 there was no plasma and hence no widgets on the desktop. The only
change regarding virtual desktops was that in KDE4 they could not have
different wallpapers. The latter does not hinder work, one might even call it
bling. Anyway, with KDE 4.3 even that is back and whether it is called
activities or whatever, now virtual desktops can even have different
wallpapers again, so even those that depend on that feature and would not get
any work done without it, i.e. KDE4 was useless for them without that very
feature, have nothing to complain anymore regarding virtual desktops in regard
to KDE3. If they continue to do so, one knows they they complain for the sake
of it.
With KDE4 and widgets however, the user has new issue, i.e. the area where he
can place widgets is finite. So one has to pick which ones and their content.
That decision depends on the context, i.e. a widget that might be useful for
the office might not at home and vice versa. Same for the content, e.g. the
feeds you watch while in the office might be different from those you watch at
home, because the latter are rather private while the former are work-related.
You might even need more space because your hobby calls for yet another
content or set of widgets. Same for the apps on the panel.
Hence plasma has to offer a way to fill the need to be able to have different
sets of widgets. One could simply use two or more users, instead they
introduced activities. They allow one user to have several different desktops
and not only regarding the wallpaper, i.e. the look, but actual functionality.
You do not have to use it, but just because you think it is not useful to you
does not mean that there is no need for it. Nobody ever needed different
wallpapers per virtual desktop, it is just nice to have. Activities are far
more useful than having different wallpapers, so complaining about the former
but demanding the latter is yet another hint towards trolling.
Sven
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Wow. And all this time I have been using multiple desktops to do this. I
wish all the former "Windows" programmers (who only had one desktop to
work with) now working on KDE4 would learn what virtual desktops do
instead of re-inventing the wheel.
Since the widgets on each virtual desktop are the same without activities, I
doubt that you could do what activities are about without them. You could have
had different wallpapers on each in KDE3, yet that is just a minor feature of
activities and using it to claim that activities re-invents the wheel just
shows that you deliberately ignore the additional functionality which was not
available without them in KDE3.
Is this supposed to be easier then one single click on the taskbar to
choose a different desktop?
Before KDE4 there was no plasma and hence no widgets on the desktop. The only
change regarding virtual desktops was that in KDE4 they could not have
different wallpapers. The latter does not hinder work, one might even call it
bling. Anyway, with KDE 4.3 even that is back and whether it is called
activities or whatever, now virtual desktops can even have different
wallpapers again, so even those that depend on that feature and would not get
any work done without it, i.e. KDE4 was useless for them without that very
feature, have nothing to complain anymore regarding virtual desktops in regard
to KDE3. If they continue to do so, one knows they they complain for the sake
of it.
With KDE4 and widgets however, the user has new issue, i.e. the area where he
can place widgets is finite. So one has to pick which ones and their content.
That decision depends on the context, i.e. a widget that might be useful for
the office might not at home and vice versa. Same for the content, e.g. the
feeds you watch while in the office might be different from those you watch at
home, because the latter are rather private while the former are work-related.
You might even need more space because your hobby calls for yet another
content or set of widgets. Same for the apps on the panel.
Hence plasma has to offer a way to fill the need to be able to have different
sets of widgets. One could simply use two or more users, instead they
introduced activities. They allow one user to have several different desktops
and not only regarding the wallpaper, i.e. the look, but actual functionality.
You do not have to use it, but just because you think it is not useful to you
does not mean that there is no need for it. Nobody ever needed different
wallpapers per virtual desktop, it is just nice to have. Activities are far
more useful than having different wallpapers, so complaining about the former
but demanding the latter is yet another hint towards trolling.
Sven
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