Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1558 mails)

["Brian K. White" <brian@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dave Howorth wrote:
> Brian K. White wrote:
>   
> > It's perfectly correct for the documentation to say ftp.
> > It's also perfectly correct for you to use http if you want to.
> > It should be obvious that any network-based install can only possibly
> > work if your network card is lucky and happens to be on of the ones that
> > the installer knows how to use.
> > If the installer does in fact sucessfully light up your nic, and
> > successfully negotiates dhcp, and your dhcp server gives you correct
> > network and dns settings, and you want to use http, then you need to
> > enter a valid repository hostname or ip, AND a valid path to a valid repo.
> >
> > What _specifically_ about this don't you understand or what specifically
> > from this did you do and it didn't work?
> > http://en.opensuse.org/INSTALL_Internet
> >
> > Btw I found that by doing something incredibly arcane and wizardly.
> > I opened up google and put in "opensuse install http"
> > Man that was hard.
> >     
>
> That comes across as a little harsh and also reads as if you haven't
> read the whole thread. So excuse me if I just refer you to the thread
> for the details instead of reiterating them.
>
> Cheers, Dave
>   

Harsh? What's that got to do with anything? Do you want it to work or not?

I install exactly this way almost exclusively countless times per
month/week even per day some days, and have done so for years and it
works fine every time. Further, it's quite simple and the _few_ details
that a brand new user does need to be told the first time, are all
spelled out in the document I referred to and several others like it. So
what else do you want?
It works for everyone else and for me too, so, if it's not working for
you, I can only assume that you have not in fact followed the
documentation, or you have an unsupported nic, or your dhcp server is
handing out bad settings (but you should know how your own network works
and you should not need to rely on dhcp anyways), or something about the
documentation is not clear enough, or you don't have the necessary
background to interpret the documentation.

So, what you need to do is follow that document, and describe either
what exactly wasn't clear enough for you to be able to do it, or what
exactly you did that failed, and how exactly it failed.

Simply saying you followed the steps isn't good enough, since they work
for me and everyone else.
Saying you entered a hostname into some field we can only guess at after
some prior steps we can only guess at, also isn't good enough.

I have indeed read the thread and indeed you are correct that
reiterating any part of it would be pointless since not enough useful
detail has been shown yet anywhere in it.

You have not shown that you have actually followed the directions in the
documentation.

You have stated that you assume that DNS is working but don't know how
to tell if it is or not. (and you want to install and use linux? hint,
ctrl-alt-F4, ifconfig -a;netstat -rn ;cat /etc/resolv.conf , these
commands show you the current network settings, it's up to you to know
if they are correct for your network or not. If they look ok try ping
www.google.com, if it works then your network is fully working and any
problems are in the realm of your use of the installer, ie: what you are
entering into the various fields. If it doesn't work then diagnose your
network the same as for any other machine, which is beyond the scope of
this email or even this mail list as it's a faq and there are countless
how-to's for that already. If you know how your network is supposed to
work but the installer network settings don't work, then tell us the
model of your nic and we can look up if that is a nic that the installer
has a driver for. Also does your pc have more than one nic? because in
that case there is an opportunity to fail that the document I linked to
doesn't talk about.).

You have stated that you entered a hostname into some field we can only
guess at, after some unknown prior steps we can only guess at, and that
it produced an error.

You have not shown that you entered a path to a repo into the subsequent
field. (perhaps this field was never presented, as a result of the prior
error, but I am not certain on that from what I can read in this thread
so far, it's something I guess, not something you've stated, so it can't
be considered)

When I do these installs, I begin by knowing what my nic chipset is (or
at least how to find out) and how to tell if there is a driver for it
and how to tell if that driver is working and how to diagnose and
resolve networking issues without the magic of dhcp, and a path to an
install source. You should really know all that too if you expect to
function.

At this point I can't tell from the thread so far if you have a problem
with your network, your nic, the nic driver (kernel & modules) included
in the installer, or merely your use of the installer. But, if you
describe more accurately what you are doing, then I would start to be
able to.

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bkw
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