Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1695 mails)

[Peter Nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday 24 Jul 2009 00:54:58 Rajko M. wrote:
> While in general offering option to choose what service (that is installed)
> should run is overkill (why it is installed in a first place?), there
> should be clear mark for applications in experimental stadium that can
> create problems, and easy way to avoid them.
Why is it overkill , admitted there are some that  need to be there but the 
rest of them  should be  open to the users of the system to easily decide yes 
or no  but via an easy method and no matter how many times someone pipes up 
about how easy it is to do this it is no the interface to this side of the 
system functionality is poor to say the least (unless you happen to have 
someones magically simple system that exists no where else) 

> The example how that can be done is kernel, where you have option to remove
> all experimental features from the configuration dialog that is presented
> to you. If you choose to see them, every feature is clearly marked
> experimental, and you can include one, or more of them, that you have
> interest in, and skip all other.

The kernel can be classed as a special case and in no way should fall into the 
methods i am prescribing  the kernel takes more knowledge than a lot of 
current users have and yes we all play at compiling kernels but leave it at 
that  

> Major problem with any release up to now was created when someone tried to
> play mind reader and guess what users want and what not. That was the
> reason to see new software that has to be tested pushed on new users, that
> just started to learn how to run Linux, and made things worse.

What i am saying is take the mind readers out of the loop completely  let the 
users decide (with a little guidance it areas of importance) but not the 
methods that someone on here seems to like   it's in live with it  , The 
reason many people come to Linux is simply because it is configurable  take 
this away make too many that's it live with it type decisions and people will 
walk.

New software is very obviously a must all the time  that is not under question 
it is the method that is chosen to introduce this new software that is being 
called to book  it completely  lacks any initial  R&D  or QA and even Alpha 
should be up to some reasonable standard then on top of that trying to enforce 
it's use is basically suicide  .

This all comes full circle to my original post that the quality of recent 
releases is for want of a better description  pants , this is free openn 
software and someone is trying to play the big corperate  BS method of live 
with it tough and it ain't gunna work .

Pete .