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[opensuse] Fiber, Copper, and Telcos... Oh My! [Was: Top 3 Applications You Wish Existed in Linux]
- From: Adam Tauno WIlliams <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:51:32 -0400
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On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 11:54 -0400, James Knott wrote:
This has not been my experience. At my employer we were on a last-mile
Fiber connection in the mid-90s with two facilities linked by the fiber
and WAN service to other facilities as T1 provisioned over the fiber.
But when that telco was purchased we were moved to copper (~ year 2000)
as the "fiber was too expensive to provision" [all the fiber equipment
went out the building into the dumpster]. Our WAN is still on copper
T1s, but last year we paid to have a second fiber run installed
[last-mile] to our facility for Internet access [from a different
telco]. It terminates next to the old [dark] fiber that is still not in
use. On the other hand my [residential] neighbor just had Verizon's new
broadband/TV/phone package installed which is fiber-to-the-doorstep.
The point here is that it varies widely based upon corporate
governance/politics, region, and provider incentive. The tech, I
believe, is only a small fraction of the actual cost over right-of-way,
tarriffs, and political concerns. In the USA, some municipalities that
have installed fiber themselves have in turn been sued by telcos for
unfair competition.
I've seen no evidence that telcos provision for new developments or
structures on anything but a reactionary basis.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:I don't know where you are, but around here, both phone and cable
So do the telcos, but I think they saw fibre as being too expensiveIt is primarily a legal/cost issue. Power companies have theYes, they are using the new kind with the holes.about it. Around here it's the electricity companies promotingI didn't know you could use fibre to carry electricity. ;-)
fibre,
right-of-ways to install the cable (and the labor force).
whereas the existing copper could be reused for VDSL at very little
cost.
companies moved to fibre many years ago, as it's the only way to carry
all the bandwidth necessary today. In new developments, fibre to curb
is common and also to large office, apartment & condo buildings. Copper
is simply too bandwidth and distance limiting. Many people are too far
from the central office to get ADSL, let alone VDSL.
This has not been my experience. At my employer we were on a last-mile
Fiber connection in the mid-90s with two facilities linked by the fiber
and WAN service to other facilities as T1 provisioned over the fiber.
But when that telco was purchased we were moved to copper (~ year 2000)
as the "fiber was too expensive to provision" [all the fiber equipment
went out the building into the dumpster]. Our WAN is still on copper
T1s, but last year we paid to have a second fiber run installed
[last-mile] to our facility for Internet access [from a different
telco]. It terminates next to the old [dark] fiber that is still not in
use. On the other hand my [residential] neighbor just had Verizon's new
broadband/TV/phone package installed which is fiber-to-the-doorstep.
The point here is that it varies widely based upon corporate
governance/politics, region, and provider incentive. The tech, I
believe, is only a small fraction of the actual cost over right-of-way,
tarriffs, and political concerns. In the USA, some municipalities that
have installed fiber themselves have in turn been sued by telcos for
unfair competition.
I've seen no evidence that telcos provision for new developments or
structures on anything but a reactionary basis.
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