Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1695 mails)

[JB2 <yonaton@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 15 July 09, Dan Goodman wrote:

> JB2 wrote:
> > On 15 July 09, Peter Nikolic wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 15 Jul 2009 00:06:55 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > > * Peter Nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [07-14-09 18:48]:
> > > > > Oh deary me i am so frightened of being plonked oh dear what shall i
> > > > > do bo hoo hoo der naughty man has plonked me  He HE HE tara
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps adopt an adult attitude, make an effort to use proper form,
> > > > punctuation and capitalization in your ramblings, separate by paragraph
> > > > different subjects and use the delete key on *most* of the quoted
> > > > material.
> > > >
> > > > :0
> > > >
> > > > * ^From:.*p\.nilolic1\@btinternet\.com
> > > >   /dev/null
> > >
> > > Kerrrrrrrrrr c plonked   tara
> > > On yer bike jimmy
> > >
> > > you honestly think i am that botherd oh how sad
> > >
> > > When you all start  growing up and developing a workable attitude then i
> > > will stop treating a lot of you like kids . Talk about ME throwing my
> > > toys out of the pram take a look at yourselfs first  before you start
> > > calling in the kettlle black look at the pots  .
> > >
> > > What this all boils down to in reality is it seems most of you are not
> > > too bothered about the quality of the product  and are quite happy to
> > > just crawl along sucking in all the BS and going with the flow  how
> > > utterly sad you must be  a lot of you are i believe board members well
> > > start acting as and get things sorted
> > >
> > > I will not sit idely by and watch what was probably the best Linux
> > > distro vanish up it's own backside because of some johny come latley's
> > > that cant not be bothered to stand up and be counted so if you think all
> > > your pointless plonk lines have any effect other than a bit of amusement
> > > think again  i will not back off till the quality of Suse Linux is back
> > > where it belongs at the top instead of crawling around the base of the
> > > heap as it is right now so if you dont like bieng told it is what it is 
> > > then i courteousley suggest you find elsewhere to lurk untill it is
> > > right cus i am here to stay
> > >
> > >  dev/null yourself into total infinity why dont you and let someone get
> > > on with trying to instill a bit of quality in this distro once again
> > >
> > > Pete .
> >
> >   You had to deal with Patrick...the biggest hypocrite, spoiled brat and
> > obnoxious pompous ass on the list. Now that he's plonked you, things
> > should get better.
>
> I second that -- replied once on a lengthy  thread that had already been
> cut down to about 150 lines and three or four people. Replied briefly,
> for a change, only about five or ten lines.
>
> Got a nastygram from the same source that I should have taken time to
> further cut down the quoted material, even though it wasn't immediately
> obvious how to do so without losing the meaning. So I just left the 150
> lines and bottom-posted, only to get a personal flame-o-gram that I
> wasn't following the rules, as I hadn't removed unnecessary text (a
> subjective, not an objective, exercise, at best.)
>
> And regardles of whatever else anyone else thinks about Peter's attitude
> and/or spelling and/or choice of style to express himself, he is
> advocating strongly for what all of should want, and what many of us
> perceive as an emerging issue -- the decline in quality of the distro,
> for whatever reason.
>
> And arguing that doing the things that negatively affect the quality of
> users' experiences, in order to improve the distro, is a totally false
> argument.
>
> If you can't improve your code by attracting enough volunteer testers,
> then that doesn't give you the right to press the rest of the community
> into service just because you believe, you KNOW, that what you are doing
> is going to be great.
>
> SuSE Linux has enjoyed a solid rep as a solid distro for a long time.
> And that perception is being threatened by a relatively small number of
> things that are being done "for the good of the whole" by a few.
>
> How come all the other devs of all the other packages don't find a need
> to automatically turn on their code and/or to entice people into using
> it in order to get more test results for improving quality?
>
> I am still using this distro, but I have become increasingly reluctant
> to recommend it to potential new Linux users, at least until a few of
> these quality of experience issues get resolved.
>
> Is having a few more testers for a package worth alienating potential
> and current users?
>
> I think not....
>
> Quality NOW should always be the first point of reference for anything
> done with, for and by this distro...without it, all else is meaningless
> and self-defeating, as you will end up with only a small core of
> dedicated users, with others, current and future users, going RH or Ubuntu?
>
> A year ago I would have told my technically proficient friends who were
> considering Linux to go with Suse. Now I waffle -- tell them what I am
> using and why, but feel that I have to point out that certain decisions
> and knowledge need to be present up front, in order for the distro to
> work well for the average new user.
>
> Just because openSuSE usually doesn't come in a box, doesn't mean that
> the "out of box experience" is irrelevant. Instead, it is almost
> everything -- first impressions are hard to overcome.
>
> You cannot sacrifice quality now in order to obtain better quality in
> the future. If you do, you are risking the future, rather than building
> towards it.

  Well said, Dan. I too find myself not really pushing SuSE like I once used 
to. Two years ago, it's all I talked about when anything 'computers' came up 
in conversation. Now....I say if they want to use Linux, they should try to 
find an older (10.3 or older) version of SuSE (openSUSE for you anal types 
out there) or I send them to distrowatch.com and tell them to look for 
something that looks like it might suit them, then explain the same points 
you and Pete and quite a few others have brung up in this thread.



-- 
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American 
at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for 
but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for 
but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.” 
-Theodore Roosevelt
--
To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@xxxxxxxxxxxx