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Re: [opensuse] Re: Beagle frontend
- From: Dan Goodman <dan.goodman@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:18:23 -0400
- Message-id: <4A5DF33F.7090803@xxxxxxxx>
JB2 wrote:
cut down to about 150 lines and three or four people. Replied briefly,
for a change, only about five or ten lines.
Got a nastygram from the same source that I should have taken time to
further cut down the quoted material, even though it wasn't immediately
obvious how to do so without losing the meaning. So I just left the 150
lines and bottom-posted, only to get a personal flame-o-gram that I
wasn't following the rules, as I hadn't removed unnecessary text (a
subjective, not an objective, exercise, at best.)
And regardles of whatever else anyone else thinks about Peter's attitude
and/or spelling and/or choice of style to express himself, he is
advocating strongly for what all of should want, and what many of us
perceive as an emerging issue -- the decline in quality of the distro,
for whatever reason.
And arguing that doing the things that negatively affect the quality of
users' experiences, in order to improve the distro, is a totally false
argument.
If you can't improve your code by attracting enough volunteer testers,
then that doesn't give you the right to press the rest of the community
into service just because you believe, you KNOW, that what you are doing
is going to be great.
SuSE Linux has enjoyed a solid rep as a solid distro for a long time.
And that perception is being threatened by a relatively small number of
things that are being done "for the good of the whole" by a few.
How come all the other devs of all the other packages don't find a need
to automatically turn on their code and/or to entice people into using
it in order to get more test results for improving quality?
I am still using this distro, but I have become increasingly reluctant
to recommend it to potential new Linux users, at least until a few of
these quality of experience issues get resolved.
Is having a few more testers for a package worth alienating potential
and current users?
I think not....
Quality NOW should always be the first point of reference for anything
done with, for and by this distro...without it, all else is meaningless
and self-defeating, as you will end up with only a small core of
dedicated users, with others, current and future users, going RH or Ubuntu?
A year ago I would have told my technically proficient friends who were
considering Linux to go with Suse. Now I waffle -- tell them what I am
using and why, but feel that I have to point out that certain decisions
and knowledge need to be present up front, in order for the distro to
work well for the average new user.
Just because openSuSE usually doesn't come in a box, doesn't mean that
the "out of box experience" is irrelevant. Instead, it is almost
everything -- first impressions are hard to overcome.
You cannot sacrifice quality now in order to obtain better quality in
the future. If you do, you are risking the future, rather than building
towards it.
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On 15 July 09, Peter Nikolic wrote:I second that -- replied once on a lengthy thread that had already been
On Wednesday 15 Jul 2009 00:06:55 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Peter Nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [07-14-09 18:48]:Kerrrrrrrrrr c plonked tara
Oh deary me i am so frightened of being plonked oh dear what shall i doPerhaps adopt an adult attitude, make an effort to use proper form,
bo hoo hoo der naughty man has plonked me He HE HE tara
punctuation and capitalization in your ramblings, separate by paragraph
different subjects and use the delete key on *most* of the quoted
material.
:0
* ^From:.*p\.nilolic1\@btinternet\.com
/dev/null
On yer bike jimmy
you honestly think i am that botherd oh how sad
When you all start growing up and developing a workable attitude then i
will stop treating a lot of you like kids . Talk about ME throwing my toys
out of the pram take a look at yourselfs first before you start calling in
the kettlle black look at the pots .
What this all boils down to in reality is it seems most of you are not too
bothered about the quality of the product and are quite happy to just
crawl along sucking in all the BS and going with the flow how utterly sad
you must be a lot of you are i believe board members well start acting as
and get things sorted
I will not sit idely by and watch what was probably the best Linux distro
vanish up it's own backside because of some johny come latley's that cant
not be bothered to stand up and be counted so if you think all your
pointless plonk lines have any effect other than a bit of amusement think
again i will not back off till the quality of Suse Linux is back where it
belongs at the top instead of crawling around the base of the heap as it is
right now so if you dont like bieng told it is what it is then i
courteousley suggest you find elsewhere to lurk untill it is right cus i am
here to stay
dev/null yourself into total infinity why dont you and let someone get on
with trying to instill a bit of quality in this distro once again
Pete .
You had to deal with Patrick...the biggest hypocrite, spoiled brat and
obnoxious pompous ass on the list. Now that he's plonked you, things should
get better.
cut down to about 150 lines and three or four people. Replied briefly,
for a change, only about five or ten lines.
Got a nastygram from the same source that I should have taken time to
further cut down the quoted material, even though it wasn't immediately
obvious how to do so without losing the meaning. So I just left the 150
lines and bottom-posted, only to get a personal flame-o-gram that I
wasn't following the rules, as I hadn't removed unnecessary text (a
subjective, not an objective, exercise, at best.)
And regardles of whatever else anyone else thinks about Peter's attitude
and/or spelling and/or choice of style to express himself, he is
advocating strongly for what all of should want, and what many of us
perceive as an emerging issue -- the decline in quality of the distro,
for whatever reason.
And arguing that doing the things that negatively affect the quality of
users' experiences, in order to improve the distro, is a totally false
argument.
If you can't improve your code by attracting enough volunteer testers,
then that doesn't give you the right to press the rest of the community
into service just because you believe, you KNOW, that what you are doing
is going to be great.
SuSE Linux has enjoyed a solid rep as a solid distro for a long time.
And that perception is being threatened by a relatively small number of
things that are being done "for the good of the whole" by a few.
How come all the other devs of all the other packages don't find a need
to automatically turn on their code and/or to entice people into using
it in order to get more test results for improving quality?
I am still using this distro, but I have become increasingly reluctant
to recommend it to potential new Linux users, at least until a few of
these quality of experience issues get resolved.
Is having a few more testers for a package worth alienating potential
and current users?
I think not....
Quality NOW should always be the first point of reference for anything
done with, for and by this distro...without it, all else is meaningless
and self-defeating, as you will end up with only a small core of
dedicated users, with others, current and future users, going RH or Ubuntu?
A year ago I would have told my technically proficient friends who were
considering Linux to go with Suse. Now I waffle -- tell them what I am
using and why, but feel that I have to point out that certain decisions
and knowledge need to be present up front, in order for the distro to
work well for the average new user.
Just because openSuSE usually doesn't come in a box, doesn't mean that
the "out of box experience" is irrelevant. Instead, it is almost
everything -- first impressions are hard to overcome.
You cannot sacrifice quality now in order to obtain better quality in
the future. If you do, you are risking the future, rather than building
towards it.
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