Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1695 mails)

[Larry Stotler <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Andreas Jaeger<aj@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Please take into account that 11.2 Milestones are indeed Alphas and not
> releases.  These milestones have only minimal testing.

Then why are they called Milestones?  Evidently it's become confusing
for some.  I just assumed it was Alpha 1-4 and Beta 5-8, but never
really say any answer to that one.

> There's work going on for beagle to not enable it by default.

Or how about just asking:  Would you like to turn on Desktop Search
tools like Beagle or Stringi? during the install?

> I doubt that we're the first ones to release everything.  We integrate early
> in factory to get early testing - and that's the purpose of the Milestones.
> With early testing - and bugreporting, - we will also do early fixing.
> Also problems can be reported in time to the upstream authors so that they
> help with fixes.  This all ensures that the final release is stable.  And once
> we have the final release, we might be the last ones to release - and to
> release a stable product.

The saving grace of 11.0 was that KDE3 was still supported.  Distros
like Fedora only released KDE4 in Core9, which was not what the KDE
devs wanted.  However, to many of us, KDE4 is still incomplete.
Personally, I just wish  that there was an easy way to turn off all
the bling at first start up(which was why I asked that KPersonalizer
be ported.  Not everyone wants it, or has the hardware for it).  My
Thinkpad 390X with a p3/500 and a Neomagic 2.5MB video chip won't be
able to do a lot of bling anyway.  But it still works, plays movies,
has built in wireless(now) and a good battery, and broswes the web
just fine, so as long as it works, I see no reason to replace it.

> You're more than welcome to report bugs or fix issues, we have opened factory
> so that everybody can participate,

And a lot of us have, and sometimes they get ignored or marked Won't
Fix, which gets discouraging.  The fact that openSUSE was even created
and that we as users have input is a good thing, and it's even better
that more and more is opened up.

You and Olaf and others of the team have always been level headed and
helpful.  Some haven't tho, but that's life.  While I've become
discouraged with the direction of openSUSE in some ways I still use
it(albiet 11.0/KDE3) and will wait and see what happens in the future.
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