Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2008 mails)

[Anders Johansson <ajohansson@xxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday 14 April 2009 04:20:41 Larry Stotler wrote:
> Oh, so I'm a 5 year old now?

I wasn't referring to you

> I ask for KPersonalizer to be ported so
> I don't have turn waste hours trying to figure out how to turn off
> that glitz and I'm ignored.

You weren't ignored, it's a valid request. There just has to be developers 
available for it. In 4.3.x there will be a new "welcome"-application, but I'm 
not 100% sure what will be in it

> I ask that we be able to remove unneeded
> crap like avahi and pulseaudio and I'm looked at like I'm crazy.

Not at all. pulseaudio is easy to remove, "zypper rm pulseaudio". So is avahi, 
"zypper rm avahi". I don't see any huge dependency issues

> Why
> do we need all this crap as dependencies?  What's so much better than
> alsa and is pulseaudio a stable replacement for alsa?

Well, no, pulseaudio is on top of alsa. I think it's supposed to be a 
replacement for all the various sound servers, mostly gnome's esd, but I'm not 
sure. I don't think it works very well either. It would be an advantage in 
general if the various desktops used the same sound system though.

Raw alsa doesn't do sound multiplexing on hardware that doesn't natively 
support it, so it's not an option for most.

But I agree that pulseaudio needs more work

> And
> why do I NEED a search tool?  What's that new thing that's integrated
> into KDE4 - neopunk or something.  Last time I checked, I removed all
> that garabage.  Now I HAVE to have it?

Of course not. KDE System Settings->advanced->Desktop Search. Not a must have 
at all.

> Why don't you tell me what is in KDE4 that I NEED to have?  Show me
> one feature that makes it compelling for ME to use it.  Show me how
> it's rock solid and stable and doesn't need a new video card.  Tell me
> I don't have to constantly update it to make it usable.  Don't include
> any glitz - that's not something I care about.  The ball's in your
> court now.  Tell ME how much I NEED KDE4.  I'm willing to listen.

Honestly, it doesn't sound to me like you need any kind of KDE. You seem more 
a windowmaker, or afterstep guy.

New video card? Of course not. All graphical effects are off by default unless 
you have a graphics card that is known to work with the effects (new-ish 
nvidia or ati with a proper driver). The basic desktop you can run with any 
non-neolithic graphics card.

KDE4 has an improved infrastructure, which makes it easier for developers to 
develop new things. KDE3 was in a technological cul-de-sac, just look at the 
problems they had getting kicker and kdesktop to play nice with each other.

Pre-kde4.2 I can agree that end users had a hard time, but now I don't see 
what the issue is

Anders
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