On Sun April 12 2009 1:37:29 pm Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. April 2009 19:01:26 schrieb peter nikolic:
On Sunday 12 April 2009, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Sonntag, 12. April 2009 16:14:28 schrieb jdd:
Sven Burmeister a �crit :
Same old, same old...
That statement is about as much use as a chocolate teapot in a transport cafe' it is all very well being sarcastic when you cant be bothered to give a decent answer but it solves NOTHING AT ALL ... Period .
I see, resurrecting the discussion for the one thousand and first time is going to be of use then because people will add new views and facts instead of repeating what they have already stated in detail a few weeks/months ago.
If it is a valid issue, and it is, then it should be discussed as many thousands of times as needed to make the needed changes in attitudes. Apparently you feel that it is OK to release buggy software then say if you don't switch to that buggy software, we will force you because not only will we ensure openSuSE won't support the earlier functional (and I didn't say totally bug-less) version, it will remove it if you upgrade to 11.2. Worse, you are saying that it would be OK to modify a functional 11.1 environment by removing or altering already installed previous versions of KDE or forego upgrading to 11.2 even though such things as OTHER packages, or even the kernel or drivers have been fixed correcting numerous bugs in the earlier release(s). You are so myopic, so pathetic, so wrong. You are very much part of the problem and as Peter indicated, add NOTHING to the correction of the overriding problem which isn't just limited to KDE but happens to be a great example of what is wrong. Your mantra seems to be nothing more than rabble-rousing and trying to blur the real issues just to protect your beloved prematurely released and crammed down the throats of those that don't find your particular software so wondrous as you do package. I suppose if you had nuclear tipped missiles, you would advocate deploying them against any person or machine that didn't just LOVE KDE 4.0 when it was released or who still disagree that what was, and is being done is wrong. I have been a user of openSuSE for many years, want it to succeed very much, but that doesn't mean I and many others like the way it is going and the KDE issue epitomizes the problem you appear too blind to see. I hope one of your nuclear tipped missiles self-destructs while you are standing next to it. Then you might see the problem, but I doubt it because you will still have your eyes closed to the bug(s) that set it off prematurely.
If you intend to release 11.2 with NO KDE.3.5 then you have got to ensure that it has ALL the functions that are wanted/needed that includes ALL Packages and softwares that are in KDE 3.5.x and i do mean ALL packages anything less is COMPLETELY unacceptable , you know it, i know it, we all know it yet you still continue to do absolutely nothing except give people a hard time just because they voice a very GENUINE and to the point thing .
I think even those who strongly argue in favour of KDE3 would not sign that.
I definitely would and I perceive so do many others. HOWEVER that doesn't address the real issues, that of fixing bugs in currently released software before you devote exclusive attention to developing new bugs.
I'm too lazy
I can see that. If it wasn't true, your posts would be constructive instead of devicive
to do some research so call me wrong on this, I just did, but in case you didn't hear or perceive that fact, here it is again: You're WRONG.
but I would bet there are lots and lots of applications and projects that remove features while adding others over time which would be forbidden if I'd take your statement above seriously.
KDE didn't remove FEATURES, it removed (or is removing) a WHOLE functional version entirely BEFORE the replacement version is ready to support the same features as currently exist in installed systems. That is tantamount to a major auto manufacturer removing wheels and tires from their product and substituting little refrigerator magnets because they are developing mag-lev as a replacement and then saying to current users of their product that if your wheels fall off your current vehicle then you have to buy our new mag-lev version because that broken axle that caused the wheel to fail was due to a bug in our manufacture or design and because it is on an old (but still under warrantee) design and we are working on mag-lev so we WONTFIX it because it would interfere with our playing around with magnets.
There are even KDE applications that got discontinued after KDE3 development ended. I guess openSUSE should replace their developers and bring back kaboodle and noatun, as an example, because all packages means all packages, does it not? You highlighted it by capital letters which might be seen as "shouting", so you really must have meant it. I might be wrong though - maybe. BTW I want/need the moon on a stick. But anyway, thanks for making your attitude and way of argumentation that obvious.
And I could say the same....thanks for making your myopic views and way of argumentation so obvious. You are very good at one thing: You are bull-doggedly adept at spewing specious nothings that do nothing to solve the underlying problems. You give the KDE Devs a bad name and hurt the product and their good efforts. Your method of SHOUTING loud and often, trying to divert the issue(s), concentrating on nit-picking definitions of words and concepts and IGNORING the problem IS THE PROBLEM and it does nothing to make KDE, openSuSE or anything else better either in the long run or even the short run in most cases. I have yet to see a constructive word uttered by any of your posts to ANYONE.
The sad thing though is that I have not read a single argument in your statement but just "Packages and softwares that are in KDE 3.5.x and i do mean ALL packages anything less is COMPLETELY unacceptable , you know it, i know it, we all know it [...]". So we all know it but some work against their own knowledge because it makes them happy to do something although they know it's wrong? Sounds like a conspirancy to me. Sounds like you have a mental problem that might be solved by a psychiatrist given time.
Due to the lack of arguments I could not answer to any of them, which is not too bad since most of that conversation would be in the archives already anyway. I just hope you did not expect answers to arguments like "you know it, i know it, we all know it ".
I doubt he expected ANYTHING constructive from you, but at least he tried....an exercise in futility, but he tried.
I know you dont like me i in fact you dont like anyone that does not tow your line thats your perogative but in actual fact could not give a monkeys toss about that BUT it is time you started taking notice and STOPPED BEING such a condescending person .
You should not draw conclusions about others based on yourself.
Sven
He used the words 'condescending person' in your case. What conclusion would you rather him have drawn....maybe 'myopic condescending ASS' is what you think he should have concluded? Maybe you are right, he did draw an erroneous conclusion. This whole thread was about attitudes and priorities needing fixing and when the OP not only diagnosed a problem, he offered a way to locate the error. That the error manifest itself in a KDE package isn't the issue, the issue is 'Why not fix the easy bugs' especially ones introduced into an otherwise functioning package BECAUSE of the development of the newest development version. Your attempts to divert the issue to a KDE3 vs KDE4 issue is not going to solve anything because that isn't even the issue. Of course, people afflicted with your version of myopia will never see that. You are not worth responding to further. There are lost souls in this world and in you, I have found one. -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org