On Fri April 10 2009 2:59:56 pm Anders Johansson wrote:
On Friday 10 April 2009 20:51:24 Richard wrote:
The OBS is part of the openSuSE structure, maintained by openSuSE.org, provided as a SERVICE and is a form of distribution, used (if we are to believe anything we read in these mail lists) to create the last distribution and presumably the upcoming release(s) and probably many of the included applications and other programs and libraries used by openSuSE and the versions of DE's like KDE and others.
No, far from everything in there is in any way officially maintained by SUSE. Any member of the openSUSE community can maintain packages in the build service
Then CLEARLY define OFFICIAL and NON-official sections of the OBS as such. If someone 'fixes' something that is used as part of an OFFICIAL package, such as KDE, then if KDE is going to be part of an OFFICIAL release, it should be MAINTAINED as part of the release until EOL in the official distribution channels (whatever that is) and not allow devs or anyone else make changes to the official portion of the OBS until the 'fix' or patch or enhancement is tested and found suitable for inclusion in the OFFICIAL distribution. Stuff in the UNofficial portion of the OBS certainly can't be openSuSE's responsibility unless it is part of the OFFICIAL release (in which case, it is misplaced in the OBS).
So when something breaks something in the OBS
It didn't break. It was ported to KDE4. If you don't like that, take it up with the developer (who does not work for SUSE)
Go look up the dictionary definition of BREAK. Most of what openSuSE is written by other than SUSE employees, so what? Even Linux itself meets that definition.
This idea of "OFFICIAL" openSuSE updates is very nebulous at best. First, it is very ill defined.
No, it is very well defined. It is anything you get in the official Update channel.
There you go, defining the word "OFFICIAL" by using the word 'official' in the definition. You should work for Webster. You could set a new trend.
Second, it often breaks existing released code.
It shouldn't, and normally doesn't. If you run into something that does, please file a bug, because that would be an extremely serious incident.
I no longer trust updates enough anymore. I now look through the 'fixes' to bugs that affect my system and try to apply only that fix. Depending on the "official Update channel" has repeatedly borked my system(s) that often they wouldn't even boot again. I used to file bugs (or my employees or customers did at my request/suggestion) but no more....that is an exercise in frustration and besides, I'm stuck with the old release/version if I take your advice.
Third, often the fix is 'WONTFIX' ostensibly because of lack of resources or interest or simple laziness.
I notice you didn't respond to this... That is one reason I no longer will file a bug report. Eventually, you will probably lose people like David that take the time to actually analyze the problem enough to even suggest a fix and then be rebuked or worse. I maintain a separate directory of "Rankinisms" he has posted because they are so useful. Lose him and/or others like him and I'll have one more negative in your box and openSuSE will be the loser, along with the thousands of user of that distro. Get off you high-horse Anders, and do something useful, like fixing simple problems, which was the thread.
Telling people to 'Stick with the older version of the package' is tantamount to saying "We know there are other bugs in our software that we will fix and release in the future,
No, it is saying "the (external) developer ported his application to KDE4, so if you want to use KDE3 you can't use the newer packages
Anders
Well, given 11.1 is not yet retired and given that it 'OFFICIALLY' supported KDE3 as one of the DE's, and given that it was included in the official release, it needs to be fixed when *anyone* breaks it. Discussing anything with you is very much like arguing with a lead brick. Thus, having sworn off of lead bricks for discussions, I see no real point in responding further to you. I perceive that you are part of the 'OFFICIAL' hieracrchy of openSuSE.org so I assume your attitude reflects the attitude of that organization also. If so, that really explains David's question about why the change in attitude he (and many others) have noticed. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org