Listmates, I decided to take a spare drive for my Toshiba P35 laptop with a perfectly good 11.0 install and update it to 11.1 i586 -- That was a big mistake. I spent 30 minutes selecting my individual packages to make sure I only got kde3.5 for the install. After the install completed - there is no wireless connection and no possibility of one until the madwifi drivers are made available with the ath_pci module. But to my complete and utter dismay, when I logged in, I was staring right at a KDE4 desktop: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_11.1/kde4-wtf.jpg Ok, great, through the kde configuration to set the blue-curl background, charcoal theme, finish the Oxygen decorations and then to find out what happened. On top of my desktop there was such a clatter, I through open yast to see what was the matter, and what to my wondering eyes did appear, only kde3 and not a single reindeer.. (I mean KDE4 package): http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_11.1/kde4-wtf-yast-window.jpg Not unexpectedly, while taking the screenshots, KDE4 went wild and the KDE4 desktop configuration dialog kept expanding and blowing up to fill the entire desktop. Next I tried to open konsole to look at zypper, and crud 1/2 the konsole window is disappeared - another great new KDE4 feature: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_11.1/kde4-konsole-broken.jpg How could this happen? How does kde4 just appear when the kde4 patters are meticulously cleared and checked prior to install? Anybody have any thoughts on this one? I've already dumped the y2logs.tgz for exploration later by the devs. After logging out and looking at the desktop selection tool on the kdm login page, I found it set to Desktop (default), the top setting. I then selected kde3 and logged back in and got the kde3 desktop, but man it was strange. There are issues for laptop users that have atheros cards in 11.1, and there are also issues for laptop users that have ATI mobility GPUs as well. The 8-12 driver will probably install, but the performance his with this driver is going to take a lot of fun out of the desktop, regardless which kde you intend to install. Oh well, well see what it does after another 4-5 hours of tweaking and trying to rebuild the last working 11.0 madwifi .src.rpm to at least see if the wifi is doable. So much for my planned 1.0 hour install... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org