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Re: [opensuse] KDE3-4 did teams change?
- From: "Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:33:02 -0500
- Message-id: <9bb996600812081633j1ca918b7wf2f988cb7b427389@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM, John E. Perry <j.e.perry@xxxxxxx> wrote:
No, but it looked like I was being lumped into that pot with "Fred and
company". Fred is very vocal, and a little curt, but he does have
genuine concern for this community. He can often be misunderstood or
taken the wrong way tho. However, I still feel that we should just
drop the bashing and start towards being productive. "Feeding the
trolls" is not a good label for anyone. Yes, we have issues, all of
us do. But pouring grease on the fire isn't the answer. I've striven
to not be a part of that, and if I lashed out at you in error, sorry.
It's just frustrating to have everyone try to convince me that KDE4 is
ready for me. It's not, and hopefully it will be in time. However,
KDE4 has it's bad points, and the driver issues are pretty bad ones in
my opinion. The Intel driver just seems to be broken, but the nVidia
or ATI ones shouldn't have to be re-written just for KDE4 unless there
was something broken about them and KDE3 to begin with. Has anyone
tried the new drivers with KDE3 on 11.1?
Possibly. However, I don't know if you are one of those or if I was
one of those being accused of it. This thread, like many others in
this 3vs4 issue, have degenerated once again.... :-(
As will I.
If I misunderstood the original post, I apologize. I just want to see
us get past this. I went out of my way to start a thread about what
was missing and was met with opposition from KDE4 users. It can get
discouraging. However, all of us must make our voices heard one way
or another.
I generally don't lash out, and I evidently did so against you because
I misunderstood your posts. However, I do stand by my point about not
calling people names. It is pointless and counterproductive. The few
times I have lashed, I felt it was worth it, but evidently I wasn't in
the right this time. Sorry.
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Larry, if you'll look back in the archives, you'll see that I have
specifically praised your particular efforts in this regard. The above
comment was specifically made in regard to people who have persisted in
complaining without making the least effort either to contribute, or to
understand what is going on.
Well, if you feel I've been lumping you in with the mindless naysayers
in spite of my posts, I don't know how to make you happy. Are you maybe
being hypersensitive?
No, but it looked like I was being lumped into that pot with "Fred and
company". Fred is very vocal, and a little curt, but he does have
genuine concern for this community. He can often be misunderstood or
taken the wrong way tho. However, I still feel that we should just
drop the bashing and start towards being productive. "Feeding the
trolls" is not a good label for anyone. Yes, we have issues, all of
us do. But pouring grease on the fire isn't the answer. I've striven
to not be a part of that, and if I lashed out at you in error, sorry.
It's just frustrating to have everyone try to convince me that KDE4 is
ready for me. It's not, and hopefully it will be in time. However,
KDE4 has it's bad points, and the driver issues are pretty bad ones in
my opinion. The Intel driver just seems to be broken, but the nVidia
or ATI ones shouldn't have to be re-written just for KDE4 unless there
was something broken about them and KDE3 to begin with. Has anyone
tried the new drivers with KDE3 on 11.1?
As one of those who doesn't contribute, but also doesn't snipe at the
developers, I might take offense at what you're saying here. Do you
think that would be right?
Possibly. However, I don't know if you are one of those or if I was
one of those being accused of it. This thread, like many others in
this 3vs4 issue, have degenerated once again.... :-(
Yes, I've paid for suse. Yes, I've stuck with 3.5.9. Yes I
occasionally check in to my kde4 account (thanks for that tip, Carlos),
and when kde4 and I get to the point that I can use it pretty easily,
I'll switch over completely.
As will I.
In the meantime, I'll keep my mouth shut (figuratively) except to defend
the people who are truly contributing.
If I misunderstood the original post, I apologize. I just want to see
us get past this. I went out of my way to start a thread about what
was missing and was met with opposition from KDE4 users. It can get
discouraging. However, all of us must make our voices heard one way
or another.
I generally don't lash out, and I evidently did so against you because
I misunderstood your posts. However, I do stand by my point about not
calling people names. It is pointless and counterproductive. The few
times I have lashed, I felt it was worth it, but evidently I wasn't in
the right this time. Sorry.
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