Am Samstag 06 Dezember 2008 15:54:27 schrieb Larry Stotler:
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Herbert Graeber
wrote: One reason was, that the devs (at least the ones at SUSE are backporting some of the features KDE4.1.3 was lacking.
And I realize that. But, it seems like a lot of work to backport something when we could havejust integrated KDE 4.2 Beta, delayed the release back to an 8 month schedule(which shoudl have given time for 4.2 to stabilize), and then just have 4.2. Since I'm not a developer, I don't know how or why things are done or decided upon.
No. if ypu want stability, then a beta version isn't acceptable. And delaying the release isn't acceptable, too. I this would be once, we would start deleaying every release because of something.
You should have less time for ranting, but to look foward what is new in KDE4, its really interesteing and KDE 4.1.3 + Backports from KDE4.2 is much better, than KDE4. Sure!
So, when I point out an issue, I am ranting? Nice. I don't accuse anyone of ranting, but I'm a ranter. If you want a rant, I can say:
"KDE4 sucks, is crap, and the devs are a bunch of stupid idiots for wasting their time writing it!"
See, that was a rant.
May be my shoose of the word "rant" wasn' proper (I am not a native english speaker). But waht I observe is that many people here say just bad things about KDE4, which are partly wrong and have no real alternatve. The only possible one is to have the choice to use KDE3 with openSUSE 11.1 and that's possible. Where is the problem. I cannot see it.
Forget the polls. The only people that participate in such polls are the unsatisfied ones. Most of the people who like KDE4 haven't voted (including me).
Whatever. If you didn't bother, then you didn't do anything to contribute. WE as a community were ASKED to tell the devs what we were using.
May be I find this type of poll silly? I nearly never take part in them, because the possible answers are too focused already.
Long time I have read these rants and have been silent. But now I cannot accept the attacks on SUSEs KDE team, because they are really working hard to fill the gaps you are seeing in KDE4. You should thank team instead of ranting.
No one is "attacking" the openSUSE team. We are questioning why things were done the way they were done. Too much work seems to have been done making bling and not enabing useful features. That's a fact, and if we are considered "attacking", then all of us are just wasting our time.
That's not what the SUSE KDE team has done here. Most of the backports are prue functionality for people like you. Don't let blind you by the bling. BTW: A little bit bling is neccessary, especially to win new users.
I cannot see much shortcomings left in KDE 4 of openSUSE 11.1. Mostly in applications, but that's no big problem, I can continue to use the KDE3 apps. And I am sure there will be some online updates for some programs.
Short comings? Well, let's see, it's slower than KDE3 on the same hardware(I have shown this severl times), it uses as much resources as KDE3(I've posted my results several times), and it is harder to turn off the unncessary things that some of us don't care for.
Not fro me, The state some weeks ago wansnt that well. Be the current KDE4.3.1 from the BuildService is OK. I only wished NVIDIA would make better drivers, or even better support open source, lika ATI and VIA are doing now.
There are people who like gnome as well, and I don't bash them. I just don't use it. And KDE4 is at that point right now.
That's a valid choice. If you find what you need elsewhere do it. Open source is of choice.
Your attitude shows that I'm wasting MY time, and should just quit trying to contribute in a non-developer way to one of the best distros around. Thanx for the encouragement.
No, you are not wasting your time. Please continue to tell what you think, you need. But I would like I could see less destructive comments here. KDE4 is NOT so bad. For me it on par with KDE3 in some parts worse in some better. And Im sure it will become better in future. BTW: I think most things disscussed her should be discussed in KDE mailing lists, because only a small fraction of KDE developers can be reached here. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org