Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1318 mails)

["Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John E. Perry wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > Ah.....so if a programmer doesn't use a given setup feature, for
> > example, then most users don't, eh? 'NOT any logic in that my friend.
>
> Come on, Fred.  Free OSS is provided by people and organizations -- it
> doesn't just come.  Resources have to be expended, money has to be
> spent, or at least someone has to do the work.
>
> If the organization has no need for it, and no developer is interested
> in it, why shouldn't they ask for someone to express support for it?
>
> For example,

Look, if it wasn't a "standard" feature that a LOT of users depend on,
it wouldn't have been put into KDE a long time ago. MickySoft isn't so
ignorant that they don't know that it's very much used and it's in VIST
and even current code of 'Bloze 7.

> > Interesting, 4.0 was released without the ability to hide the task bar.
> > Work wasn't started on added that until I pursued it. 
>
> I've never used it at all.  The KDE taskbar is too useful to do without,
> and it takes up little enough space that I'd rather keep it visible than
> have to go digging for it.  If I were a KDE developer, I'd blow off
> totally the ability to hide it.  If I were a manager having to allocate
> programming resources, I'd demand that my resources be used in
> justifiable projects.  I can't justify it myself; before I allocate
> resources, I'll ask for evidence that some significant fraction of my
> users do want it and will use it.  That means you and other users will
> have to tell me you want it.

Blow it off totally.....now that WOULD be ignorant!!

> Amazing...a
> > feature of KDE for a LONG time, and VERY much used feature (common sense
> > dictates you gain real estate on the desktop) and it wasn't included in
> > 4.0. No wonder we're missing features.
>
> I've never seen anyone use it under kde (ok, I presently only interact
> with half a dozen or so linux users).  I haven't even seen many people
> use it under Windows, whose taskbar is really of very little use
> compared to kde's, and whose disappearance would cause no discomfort at
> all.

You live and work in a very limited world, John. 'NOT a criticism, but
just making you realize that it's not the real world of users many of us
know. You should visit any large graphic arts shop sometime, for
example. ;) I often work on VERY LARGE images in Gimp or Bibble Pro and
want all the real estate I can get on my monitor. If on a laptop, it's
even more of a mandate.

> _You're_ missing features.  Express _your_ preference for those features
> in the proper forums, in a proper manner, and if enough others express
> that support, someone will allocate the resources needed to get it done.
>
> Stop whining and cooperate with the people who are doing the work.

I've made it as simple as it can be John....can't do anymore than that!

Fred

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