2008/10/26 John Andersen
In fact, I don't want KDE 4.x to be comparable to KDE 3.x, what is the point?
That says it all, right there. Most revealing statement posted on this whole thread. Right up there with "KDE doesn't need users".
What does that reveal? You should know that I am not a KDE dev, I am an end user like yourself. I just file bugs.
If the guy who has undertaken to file bug reports does not want KDE4 to be "comparable" to the single most robust, complete, flexible, configurable, extensible desktop manager the Linux world has ever known then that explains why we have no chance of ever seeing KDE4 approach the quality of KDE3 or of ever convincing the DEVs that they made a serious error.
You give me too much credit. You can file bugs, too, and have your issues resolved as well. Instead of complaining on a mailing list that KDE devs likely do not read. As for KDE 4 not being comparable to KDE 3, I would not say that a BMW 7 series is comparable to a Toyota Corolla, yet both are quality products that perform similar features. If KDE 3 was the reliable, robust and practical Corolla, then the KDE devs are building the sleek (plasma), fast (Qt4), and dependable KDE 4. The keyword here is "building". It is not done yet. It seems that your gripe is that they have implemented feature X before feature Y, and you need Y while feeling that X is superfluous. That is my gripe too, even though your feature Y is different than my feature Y. However, KDE 3 is still available, still in active development, and still supported by KDE. So use it until your feature Y is implemented in KDE 4.
What do you tell people who want Opensuse to be comparable to Windows?
What the hell has that got do do with anything?
You mention that you want KDE 4 to be comparable to KDE 3. That is not it's goal. It's goal is to be better than KDE 3.
So far as KDE is concerned, KDE 4.x does not yet replace KDE 3.x, and it will not in the near future.
And as long as you, and the DEVs insist it should not "be comparable" it will never be able to replace KDE3.
What I insist does not matter :) Tell me, what is "comparable" for you? What features do you need?
Complain that Suse is dropping support for KDE 3.5, but that is a different issue. They might as well be dropping it for XFCE, Gnome, or Flushbox instead of KDE 4.x, as non of them are designed by their authors as replacements for KDE 3.x.
Again, you wander off on tangents here.
No, this is relevant because KDE 4 is not a replacement for KDE 3. Would you make the same arguments if there were no KDE 4 but Suse replaced KDE with Gnome? I certainly would, because it is the same issue. Gnome is not good enough for me, neither is KDE 4, yet Suse is replacing the current state of KDE technology (KDE 3) with something else (which just happens to be KDE 4, I stress that the KDE devs still support and develop KDE 3).
You half way admit that KDE4 was designed to be a replacement of KDE3, yet you insist it should not be compared to KDE3.
No, KDE 4.0, KDe 4.1 and KDE 4.2 are _not_ designed to be a replacement for KDE 3! Nowhere has that ever been implied by KDE, in fact they state that it is not! It is hoped that KDE 4.x > 4.2 will be able to replace KDE 3, but that has not been decided yet.
Most Disgruntled KDE3 users would be happy is KDE4 devs had decided to start with KDE3 as the base, rather than Ground Zero.
From a technical point of view, that means recoding KDE 3, with all it's faults, from scratch in Qt4. Google "Aaron Siego" for all the reasons that is not a good idea.
Only people who don't compare the two would think KDE4 is anyway near what KDE 3 was. Gnome users migrating to KDE4 are probably impressed.
Noone ever said that KDE 4 is as useful KDE 3 was. Not until KDE > 4,2 might that ever be possible.
Its like hiring a PhD for a critical task, sending him out to a seminar to extend his skill set, but instead he decides to go back to the Sixth grade so he can wear all the cool new threads.
Could you please use a car analogy? I only understand car analogies. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�Z+i�b�*'jW(�f�vǦj)h���Ǿ��i�������