Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1695 mails)

[Roger Oberholtzer <roger@xxxxxx>]

On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 17:56 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > The Tuesday 2008-09-16 at 23:34 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >
> > > > > I've been away interstate for several days; returned home, on
> > starting the system (11.0, 32-bit, KDE4.1) that there were some ~90
> > upgrades to be installed. OK, let's get them installed, I thought. I
> > try to do this - and what do I find? I find the following error
> > messages which haven't been gone away for some 14 hours.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > Are you using the KDE:Factory repository?
> >
> >
> > > Yes - and been using it for a long time.
> >
> > Then, I'm sorry to say, you are not using 11.0 and, IMHO, the fault is
> > entirely yours, because you have corrupted a stable distro version
> > with repos from another distro version; worse, from the very unstable
> > factory.
> >
> > Use either 11.0 or factory, not a mix. If you add repos to 11.0, add
> > repos prepared for 11.0, not for factory.
>
> Then it is time for openSUSE to stop this damn nonsense about what is
> "official" and what is "not official" when it comes with they make
> available to users as part of the "official" release of openSUSE Vxx.

The KDE4/QT4 is, as far as I see and perhaps despite intentions, part of
the official release of 11.0. I just did a new 11.0 install. I did NOT
select to install KDE4 as the desktop. I selected KDE3. After
installation, I see things like Kmahjong/4 in the menus. Quite a few /4
KDE programs right along with the expected KDE3. So, some dependency in
the 11.0 install is pulling these in. In the list of packages to be
installed, components from KDE4 were selected even though I did not
select to install KDE4. The two releases are not independent of each
other. And that is the basis for the current confusion.

This means that to do an update of KDE3, KDE4 components will be
updated. Once the requirement to update KDE4 components becomes a part
of updating a system which did NOT have KDE4 selected as a desktop
happens, dependencies to keep KDE4 updateable must be organized in such
a way that they are met without resorting to swinging ex poultry.

> I, personally, am getting just a bit p***** off with this discrimination
> of what is "official" and what is "not official".

I do not have a problem with the Factory concept. The problem here is
that KDE4 is not very complete. Once you need to fiddle with getting
KDE4 dependencies sorted in order to use KDE3, it would be a strange
person indeed who did not select the Factory KDE4. After all, we keep
hearing that 4.1 and now 4.1.1 have so many of those things not in the
KDE4 release that comes standard with 11.0. So why bother with the
anemic KDE4 that came with 11.0? If the intention was to keep these
separate (KDE 4.0 vs 4.1), then the 11.0 release should have
specifically stated KDE 4.0 dependencies. I am guessing this is not the
case. Making transition to 4.1 much easier. But also creating the
current confusion.

I am unclear on one point (at least): when the KDE3 components that are
starting to use KDE4 components are updated, are they built against the
old KDE4 that came with 11.0, or against KDE4 Factory? I would have
guessed the later. If that is the case, it is yet another reason why
folk are adding KDE4 Factory to their list of repositories: it helps
keep the official KDE3 updated and running.

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Roger Oberholtzer

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