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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE (11.0) getting worse with the influence of KDE4 - Part #1: zypper
  • From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:01:59 +0200 (CEST)
  • Message-id: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0809211141080.18331@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Sunday 2008-09-21 at 17:56 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:


The Tuesday 2008-09-16 at 23:34 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

I've been away interstate for several days; returned home, on
starting the system (11.0, 32-bit, KDE4.1) that there were some ~90
upgrades to be installed. OK, let's get them installed, I thought. I
try to do this - and what do I find? I find the following error
messages which haven't been gone away for some 14 hours.

...

Are you using the KDE:Factory repository?


Yes - and been using it for a long time.

Then, I'm sorry to say, you are not using 11.0 and, IMHO, the fault is
entirely yours, because you have corrupted a stable distro version
with repos from another distro version; worse, from the very unstable
factory.

Use either 11.0 or factory, not a mix. If you add repos to 11.0, add
repos prepared for 11.0, not for factory.

Then it is time for openSUSE to stop this damn nonsense about what is
"official" and what is "not official" when it comes with they make
available to users as part of the "official" release of openSUSE Vxx.

I, personally, am getting just a bit p***** off with this discrimination
of what is "official" and what is "not official".

Hey, I said nothing about "official".

I said "factory", which is official if you like, but very experimental and expected to fail. Factory is where the new 11.1 is being tested. If you use factory you are expected to have problems, and in fact, you are also expected to help solving them. It is not for novices.

Plus, if you mix packages from a factory repo and from 11.0 you get a very dangerous mix which will fail sooner or later. They are simply not designed to go together.


I installed openSUSE 11.0 from the "official" release of the "official" DVD.

I installed in the first instance the KDE 3.x during the installation.

I then installed KDE4x immediately after installing the above.

I then used the available repositories shown in YaST to keep upgrading KDE4.

Yes, that's ok, but you can not choose a repo named "KDE:Factory". Using that one has broken your distro. It may have worked in the past because the upcoming 11.1 was not that different from your 11.0 base system. With the pass of time, they diverge more and more, till things break. IMO.


What I have installed is the stock-standard version of openSUSE 11.0 and
with it being upgraded with whatever is made available though YaST and
zypper. This I did to ensure to see what happened when someone installed
openSUSE as a new user.

But yast/zypper are just tools to install things. You can choose to install from repos that are not appropriate, and this is your choice. I could agree that knowing what is the intention of each repo is not an easy task, but that's not the fault of Yast.

You could, for instance, open a feature request bugzilla requesting that the repos have a mandatory description file, which is loaded by yast when users try to add a repo so they can choose to continue or abort. Or use a browse repo feature to read those descriptions and add repos by clicking on them after reading the descriptions.


- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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