On Saturday 13 September 2008 09:45:02 am Larry Stotler wrote:
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:10 AM, ne...
wrote: % of KDE Users that use KDE4 3109*100/(4007+3109) = 43.69% approx
I think Michael Loeffler is owed an apology by Larry Stotler. What do you think?
Actually, then I feel that he shouldn't have worded it that way.
:-D You never give up. That is a spirit, but this time, guhvies@gmail.com just applied math to Michael's statement, nothing more, and the result is 43.69%.
I've seen openSUSE devs pushing KDE4 way too much when it is still not ready. It was obvious before 11.0 and it still is now, that more of the TOTAL userbase prefers KDE3 and I stand by that. I may have misread what he said, but it still shows that over 1/2 of KDE users PREFER KDE3 and that's the part that a lot of KDE4 promoters seem to miss.
Taking loud outcry on openSUSE mail lists, and around Internet, which taken without emotions is not without any merit, I would expect no more than 5-10% of people, those that always hang on the newest, will use it. Any number above tells that something in KDE4 act as strong attraction despite all negative PR. Out of 7116 (100%) KDE users that took part in the survey there is 4007 (43.7%) that use KDE4. It is way more that expected 5-10%. Correlating that to result of "How you are involved with openSUSE": No, I am not involved. 74.5% 7640 Editing/creating of Wiki 4.2% 431 Creating software packages 2.7% 276 Creating software patches 1.3% 132 Bug reporting 13.2% 1354 Partic. on ML or IRC 7.8% 796 Use a build services 5.6% 578 Partic. in the oS forums 13.1% 1341 tells that large silent user base was invloved in the survey, not many active members, supporters or disputers, and the result is pretty much realistic. The 93.9% used Linux before. So fear for the new users is not very well supported. Looking this numbers: KDE3 38.5% 4007 KDE4 29.8% 3109 GOME 26.9% 2799 xfce 1.1% 117 Console 1.4% 148 Other 2.3% 238 tells that KDE4 cuts better than GNOME, and if KDE4 is not given to the users, openSUSE will miss the same number of users as with GNOME, Xfce and console ;-) There is of course more interesting hidden gems for those that can corelate different answers, so I bet that openSUSE pro part (Novell guys) have pretty good idea what they do.
KDE4 will be adoped as it becomes feature rich and more stable.
As you can see above it already surpassed some others, so it is adopted ;-)
I have repeastedly stated that openSUSE's KDE4 was the best available at the time, but that doesn't mean that KDE4 was ready to be promoted like it has. It became more stable after the update to 4.1, which happened not long after 11.0 was released, which is why I have suggested that the 11.1 release be delayed to include 4.2. I'd rather see a delay so that a more solid, stable product can be included instead of seeing a huge amount of effort being put into backporting the 4.2 stuff into 4.1. I dunno, but that's my opinion.
It seems there is something that I can't convey properly. Negative PR will not help to make transition as fast as possible, and procrastinating has the same effect as delaying visit to a dentist. Whether we are old or new users, have we business that doesn't like changes or not, let put our differences in opinions aside, they will not matter in a year anyway, and push developers with bugs and tests to go on faster. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org