Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2803 mails)

[Jim Henderson <hendersj@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:05:55 -0700, J Sloan wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > It isn't needed in Linux *today*, maybe, but again, it makes sense to
> > plan ahead.
> >   
> Wrong kind of planning - I don't think we should plan to be as insecure
> as windows.

A lack of planning is exactly what it seems is happening on this front.  
"We don't need it, we're invulnerable to viruses, no, don't tell me 
differently - lalalalalalala I'm not listening!" seems to be the 
predominant attitude.

> > If we want people to adopt Linux, we have to not tell them "so this
> > thing you did with Windows automatically?  You need to do it manually
> > now. Sorry about that, but that's just the way it is."
> >
> > That's a good way to turn people off of Linux.
> >   
> What an odd way to look at it. I find that the reality is more along the
> lines of "You know that thing you had to do all the time in windows?
> Well, you don't need to waste your time doing it in linux, as it's
> totally unnecessary". That applies to e.g. disk defragging, therapeutic
> reboots, OS reinstalls, anti virus/popup/worm software maintenance, etc.

So again, we should also get rid of AppArmor and SELinux as well, since 
we obviously don't need those - since the *user* has to start a program 
that would make a change to the things those security layers protect.  
Right?

I mean really - what purpose do they serve?  They just take up CPU 
cycles, slow the system down, and they protect things that don't need 
protecting.  Everyone backs up their config files, so even if they are 
somehow compromised by a user doing something as stupid as launching an 
untrusted program, it's not a great loss, right?

Jim
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