va.linuxguy@gmail.com wrote:
----- "John Andersen"
wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Shanahan
wrote: Please, quote the "threat" and make the MessageID public,
It was in the bug report, with a link to his actual post.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-06/msg02231.html
There is only one way that post can be interpreted: If you don't switch to kde4 and file specific bug reports before release 11.1, we will force you to switch by deleting kde3 from the distro.
The bug report was proper. Its under the proper distro (11.1) for the proper package (kde3) in the only "Type" category that applies. --
I read it, and I think you are stretching your representation of his comments just a bit.
Are you a Binner troll and a developer working for the KDE4 team? Look, here is the full quote of what Binner wrote - read it CAREFULLY: QUOTE On Sunday 22 June 2008 05:39:44 Bob S wrote: Wow, I hope that you are also considering offering KDE3.5.9. It will be removed from the distro release (and continue to be only available as build service project) some time. This may happen with openSUSE 11.1. As long as users give us not concrete feedback but rather "KDE4 is not KDE3!" (which will stay true forever) and ambigious "it's incomplete" it's likely. Bye, Steve UNQUOTE Let's me quote again this: "*It will be removed from the distro release (and continue to be only available as build service project) some time. This may happen with openSUSE 11.1*" Now if English is not your native language let me rephrase what Binner stated: "Sooner or later - and it may happen as early as with the release of openSUSE 11.1 - KDE3 will be removed from the openSUSE distribution and will continue to be only available from the Build Service project to those who want to use KDE3. In other words, once it is removed it will only be available if you elect to install it yourself from the Build Service. Oh, and once it is removed from the openSUSE distro and become only available from the Build Service it will be no longer developed (and possibly not supported except by those who want to use the Build Service to maintain KDE3)." There is a rider to what Binner decreed would happen -- and I don' know what authority he has to make such proclamations -- which is that, QUOTE As long as users give us not concrete feedback but rather "KDE4 is not KDE3!" (which will stay true forever) and ambigious [sic] "it's incomplete" it's likely." UNQUOTE The statement by Binner that "'KDE4 is not KDE3!'" is such an obvious tautology that it does not even require to be mentioned. Of course they are not the same. XP is not the same as W95 or NT; openSUSE 11.0 is not the same as openSUSE 9.3; etc. Binner lays down the condition - and again I ask what authority he has to do so - that *UNLESS* "users give *US*" - who actually is "us"? - "concrete feedback" about why KDE3 should be retained then KDE3 will be *removed from the openSUSE distro and this will happen as early as openSUSE 11.1*". So, it appears that Binner has made the decision that KDE3 will be removed from the version 11.1 of openSUSE and be only then available from the Build Service *UNLESS* and *PROVIDED* he - under the guise of the term "us" mentioned in his message - receives reasons which he considers as valid to retain KDE3 in openSUSE as a selectable desktop when installing openSUSE 11.1 and, possibly but not probably, beyond. And he has also decided that only he decides what is acceptable as a "feedback" re this matter because if he decides that it is not convenient to his way of thinking about KDE4 then he will discard it as being inappropriate just like he did with what John Andersen submitted as requested.
He's not threatening you. In fact he's making sense. He's saying that if you want KDE 3.x to stay in continued development
NO! NO! This is NOT what he is saying! "..to stay in continued development". There is NO mention by Binner of "continued development". READ what Binner wrote!
then you need to give them concrete examples of what is wrong or incomplete in KDE 4. So far I have not seen a single example of that here on this list.
Instead what we've been treated to over the course of two days is a small handful of people that seem very obstinate casting profanity and bad mouthing people that seem to have the best wishes of the community at heart.
If you want to make your point, then make your point. Make SPECIFIC points that reference SPECIFIC items. Perhaps that would help your cause. Short of that, move to Gnome if you aren't happy with KDE4.
OK, I have now concluded that you ARE a KDE4 developer and cannot see anything past your nose. What a simplistic statement to make when people of your ilk run out of ideas: "Go and use Gnome if you don't like what we are shoving down your throat! So there!" or "If you don't like what you read then go and use another distro like Ubuntu.", et alia. I MAY or MAY NOT eventually like using KDE4. What I am objecting to is the way people who work out in the field with clients on whom they rely are being ignored re their comments about KDE4 vs KDE3. I'll stop here before I get really annoyed. Ciao. -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org