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Re: [opensuse] 11.0 KDE 4 {Not Ready for Prime Time - We told you so!}
- From: "Benji Weber" <benji@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:49:04 +0100
- Message-id: <d6b310ce0806210149s3d70c730n2aaf425de908c00b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2008/6/21 Matt Archer <archer.matt08@xxxxxxxxx>:
What it actually says is:
"KDE 4.0 is the most recent evolution of KDE. It comes with many new
KDE technologies, but is less mature than the other desktops."
"KDE 3.5 is the previous generation of the K Desktop Environment. It
is mature and stable." [0]
Which I think is fairly clear. There is no default KDE in the DVD
installer. While it is not as mature as KDE 3.x, KDE4.0 is now ready
for many users. I will not be switching to it myself for a while, but
I have specific requirements. KDE 4.x is also what the KDE team have
been working on improving and integrating for months, while KDE 3 is
pretty much just included in the same state it was in previous
releases.
What I find somewhat irksome is your analysis of the situation. There
was not some mandate from Novell management "Thou shalt use KDE4.0".
There was significant discussion with the community with regard to the
plans for KDE4.0, on the mailing lists, at project meetings, and on
bugzilla. The outcome was to present both the cutting edge KDE4.0 and
the stable KDE3.5 to allow users to choose. I notice that many of the
people complaining in this thread did not involve themselves in the
discussions at the time.
The KDE team who are actually doing the work decided to put all their
effort into making KDE4.0 ready. If they were focusing more on KDE 3.x
then KDE4.0 would be in a much worse state now than it is. Both
upstream and the major downstream distributions are focusing almost
entirely on KDE4.0 now. KDE 4.0 is where bugs will be fixed, whereas
KDE 3.5 is likely to just stagnate.
If you have stability issues in KDE 4.0 please bug report
them(specific, not general), then they can be fixed. Even if a bug
seems blindingly obvious to you, it may be that other people have not
noticed it, or it does not occur on other configurations.
As for the state of KDE 4.0 being the cause of bad reviews, that is
not the case so far. We have headlines such as "openSUSE 11.0
released, offers best KDE 4 experience"[1] and comments such as "The
openSUSE version of KDE 4 alone is worth the download"[2] "still I'd
rather work on this than 3.5." [3]. While other reviewers have stated
that they opted for 3.5 as it is more mature.
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[0] http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg
[1]
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080620-first-look-opensuse-11-out-offers-best-kde-4-experience.html
[2] http://www.linux.com/feature/139073
[3]
http://alternativenayk.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-first-24-hours-with-opensuse-11-kde-4/
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Benji Weber wrote:
This is rather a misrepresentation. Significant changes were made
after the discussion on the lists and bugzilla.
But nowhere close to being what KDE users expect.
What it actually says is:
"KDE 4.0 is the most recent evolution of KDE. It comes with many new
KDE technologies, but is less mature than the other desktops."
"KDE 3.5 is the previous generation of the K Desktop Environment. It
is mature and stable." [0]
Which I think is fairly clear. There is no default KDE in the DVD
installer. While it is not as mature as KDE 3.x, KDE4.0 is now ready
for many users. I will not be switching to it myself for a while, but
I have specific requirements. KDE 4.x is also what the KDE team have
been working on improving and integrating for months, while KDE 3 is
pretty much just included in the same state it was in previous
releases.
Apparently, Novell is trying to push KDE 4 hard so that they
can get a lot of fanfare out of beryl... but no matter how
good it is, if it's resting on top of an immature version of
KDE, who wants or needs it?
What I find somewhat irksome is your analysis of the situation. There
was not some mandate from Novell management "Thou shalt use KDE4.0".
There was significant discussion with the community with regard to the
plans for KDE4.0, on the mailing lists, at project meetings, and on
bugzilla. The outcome was to present both the cutting edge KDE4.0 and
the stable KDE3.5 to allow users to choose. I notice that many of the
people complaining in this thread did not involve themselves in the
discussions at the time.
The KDE team who are actually doing the work decided to put all their
effort into making KDE4.0 ready. If they were focusing more on KDE 3.x
then KDE4.0 would be in a much worse state now than it is. Both
upstream and the major downstream distributions are focusing almost
entirely on KDE4.0 now. KDE 4.0 is where bugs will be fixed, whereas
KDE 3.5 is likely to just stagnate.
If you have stability issues in KDE 4.0 please bug report
them(specific, not general), then they can be fixed. Even if a bug
seems blindingly obvious to you, it may be that other people have not
noticed it, or it does not occur on other configurations.
As for the state of KDE 4.0 being the cause of bad reviews, that is
not the case so far. We have headlines such as "openSUSE 11.0
released, offers best KDE 4 experience"[1] and comments such as "The
openSUSE version of KDE 4 alone is worth the download"[2] "still I'd
rather work on this than 3.5." [3]. While other reviewers have stated
that they opted for 3.5 as it is more mature.
__
[0] http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg
[1]
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080620-first-look-opensuse-11-out-offers-best-kde-4-experience.html
[2] http://www.linux.com/feature/139073
[3]
http://alternativenayk.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-first-24-hours-with-opensuse-11-kde-4/
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