----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@gmail.com> To: "opensuse" <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Re: Opensuse 11.0 Boot iso
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:28 AM, jdd <jdd@new.dodin.org> wrote:
seems like you are only triyng to feed a troll...
Nice attitude.
why did you buy a so closed machine at first?
Because I've had it for a few years(and it's my son's). I remember Beta Testing openSUSE v10.0 on my old Macs. No DVD drive in any of them. Even now. It's amazing how upgradable older Macs are. I have a G4/700 in a machine that came with a 601/100. Try that with a Pentium. Not gonna happen.
The point is that there are people who do only have a CD drive in there machine. When they see they can't do a full install without jumping through hoops, they will go elsewhere. What happened to trying to get people to use Linux on the desktop? Those older machines that have been replaced because WinDoZe bogged it down are the perfect candidate for Linux, and a lot of them don't have a DVD drive.
I'm really amazed that there is so much resistance to having a CD based install. And so many suggestions that are geared toward people who have experience and none that consider the newbies that we are supposed to be going after.
The resistance has to do with valuing the very efficiency you value. If suse decided to stop producing cd's it's because there was some incentive to do so, ie: it was sapping resources for not enough gain to be worth it. I resist anything that wastes their resources away from making further progress on the product. Maybe it's not that producing cd's is SO horrible, but that it's simply unnecessary fat and overhead. It may be just one of 50 things that, if trimmed, results in a significantly more eficient organization. I say trim all 50and don't get sucked into making "exceptions" for half of them. Things go obsolete and are no longer supported all the time. Yes it's still possible for suse to produce cd's for another version or even another several, but you do have to draw a line somewhere and say this is stupid, like the floppy example. Now is a perfectly reasonable time to switch to assuming most new installs will have a dvd so I say they are entirely practical. Hows this for a nice attitude? If you want to use ancient hardware, then use ancient software instead of expecting everyone else to go out of their way to make it effortless for you to do something unnecessarily odd and satisfy your unnecessarily picky wishes. If the need was so common, then they would still produce cd's. Apparently the need is uncommon. When I want to do something uncommon, I know who's responsibility it is to figure things out, mine. I may seek help and ideas from others, and collaborate with them to produce now-how and some sort of shortest possible recipe, but I don't consider it a tragic injustice if I don't get vendor support for free. It's really quite a simple concept. And you don't have to use software that's nearly as ancient as the hardware anyways. * you can use 10.3 which is totally current * you can use 11.0 if you would stop whining and ** install via net ** install via usb ** make your own simple split file cd's of the dvd and manually create a filesystem on the hd with the mini iso or a live cd and unpack the cd's onto it and install from that. ** install the livecd and use kde4 (what? you want the latest version of the OS on the ancient hardware, but not the latest kde which is part of that OS? And you can't figure out how to resolve the dependancies required to remove and reinstall kde after install? (it's completely easy to deinstall all of kde in one shot) and you want suse to make all that effortless for you? good grief talk about attitude...) That's 6 perfectly doable options right off the top of my head. Your complaint lacks substance to engender sympathy. What's next? 11.0 requires too much ram for your 64M laptop? -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org