On Tuesday 20 May 2008 10:14:04 Basil Chupin wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Sam Clemens
writes: This is EXACTLY the sort of KDE4 at any cost mentality that I've been complaining about KDE4 is ****NOT**** even Beta...Even the KDE website still calls KDE4 ***ALPHA***-grade software, and yet, dunderheads like you, stefan, insist on foisting it on new users as ready for production use.
Sam, did you install Beta3 and see the options listed there for the desktops?
If not:
SHAME ON YOU!
;-)
Andreas
Andreas, you should know more than anyone else that when people install a new release - and especially if they are new to the distro because they have heard good things about it - that they do not read closely what appears in front of them on the screen. Install the damn thing while the adrenalin is flowing!
They see something called KDE4, which is placed ahead of KDE3, so they choose KDE4 ahead of KDE3. Reading that KDE4 is not as "mature" as KDE3 does not register - OK, openSUSE is stating that it is kinda of a dog's breakfast compared to KDE3 but openSUSE has placed it here so they consider it OK to install otherwise openSUSE wouldn't have put it here.......
(Gnome? Oh, yeah...Gnome, the one with the big funny footprint.... Forget it! KDE (Russian, and similar languages, meaning, "Where"). Better than the black footprint thingie so let's go with KDE which many people have mentioned.)
If you want to pursue your argument about seeing what the options the user sees concerning which desktops are available to install then put KDE4 under the Optional and leave the selectable options in 11.0 as in 10.3, that is as Gnome, KDE (ie, KDE3), and Optional until such time as KDE4 is "mature" enough to have its own separate entry as a serious desktop in the main list of selectable desktops.
Ciao.
-- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons.
Wow. I'm amazed by the way my thread has gone. Maybe I should add some facts. 10.3 isn't exactly the latest release. The 10.3 installer seems to assume things rather than actually check and installs in different ways each time it runs.. While it can clearly cope with intel soft raid it gives grub some garbage that it can't cope with and even reports the discs twice. I started on 10.3 64bit. Not exactly the latest release and find that some kde4 is thrusted on me like it or not. So far all of those elements I've come across have problems. Especially around the area I would call the task bar but apps too. I'm told that I can still run 32 bit software during installation and find that this aspect is extremely limited. There doesn't seem to be a fix especially as the installer insists on going for 64bit and does as a last ditch attempt offer 32bit but then finds it can't install it. Bit late in the day. 10.3 has a updater bug that's been around for some time. Downloaded dvd's still include it and the web fix doesn't work. A manual Yast update does fix it. Sort of localises the problem. Lastly if I had payed for this as I usually do I would be annoyed. Very annoyed. Opensuse is the only desktop suse offer. I have also noted various snips on this thread by people from suse. It tends to bury the salient facts rather quickly and is against the etiquette that suse themselves suggest. It's rather clear why that person does that. They would be better employed joining the party and passing over information to people who are in a better position to do something about it rather than making comments which are bound to cause near flame war behaviour. If anyone want to try kde4 I would strongly advise wubi or a spare partition. Much easier to get rid of. You will quickly find it has problems, the desktop look great and that there is a very very limited number of applications available. (That's why ubuntu's updater is so quick). Could be that suse is chasing ubuntu and hope to rattle their box of discs shouting me too me too. Ubunto is a very young distro and has a lot to learn. While it looks to be the only linux about at the moment I don't think that will last. I suspect that much of it's success is down to gnome in any case.The world doesn't need another ubuntu. All a bit sad really because 10.1 kDE could compete on a better than even footing with windoze. Not so 10.3 or 11 by the look of it. Some distro's with up to date kernels aren't even offering it. John PS Playing with virtualbox I finished up with gnome. (By default) Oh dear I thought because it isn't as flexible as kde. I loaded the kde bit's an pieces and all of the usual things were there, some not installed in menu's. Tried gksudo for graphical root work and it didn't work. Kdesu does though. Makes one wonder. A too early major release of KDE4 is likely to harm KDE. Makes me wonder if Gates etc has major stock holdings in Novell :) and will wreck gnome later. They really are playing into his hands. A 10 point something or the other would have been a much much better route to pursue. They clearly know nothing what so ever about niche markets. Just look what happened to netware. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org