Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2391 mails)

[Scott Newton <scottn@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday 20 May 2008 13:41:09 Sam Clemens wrote:
> Scott Newton wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 May 2008 12:53:40 Sam Clemens wrote:
> > > Tell us about the problems which were discussed in February,
> > > and the assurances that KDE 4 would be ready by the time
> > > 11.0 was released, despite the fact that huge tracts of
> > > basic functionality are still missing.
> > >
> > > And lets not forget the frequently crashing Konsole.
> >
> > I'm using KDE4 and KDEPIM4 here at home everyday. I find it nicer to use
> > than KDE3 and KDEPIM3 and yes there are some things missing but I would
> > hardly say there was "huge tracts of basic functionality" missing. In
> > fact, Konsole does not crash for me at all and I use it a lot. Konqueror
> > still has some annoying bugs but most of the one's I've wanted to raise
> > have already been in bugzilla. I can read my email, schedule things in
> > the calendar, read my rss feeds, play my music, compile my programs,
> > connect to work and even change the way my desktop looks without
> > virtually no hassles. So what's missing? And no, I'm not associated with
> > Novell at all.
> >
> > If you want a rock solid production desktop spend the less than a hundred
> > NZ dollars for a SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop subscription. If you don't
> > want a cutting edge desktop install Gnome or KDE3.
>
> KDE 3 is not bleeding edge.

I did say if you do not want....

> Now...if you have a business with a small shop, and he decided
> to try SuSE 11.0, and doesn't happen to have a SuSE *expert* there
> when he does it....and he chooses to use the KDE desktop, what
> sort of experience is he going to have?

If it's a business and he really wants to ensure that what he is running is 
rock solid and stable then he should be paying the tiny amount that Novell 
asks and be using SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Desktop and not openSUSE. 
(Same as RedHat would say don't use Fedora). If he wants to do it on the cheap 
then he needs to do his own research and decide what he wants to use. Even 
with Windows you have to decide which of the 2 XP or 7 Vista flavors you want.

> Its not like your business users really give a fuck about
> transparency effects and other hollywood-ish special effects...
> they just want a RELIABLE COMPUTER WITH SOFTWARE THAT WORKS
> THAT DOESN'T CRASH

Have you ever worked in the software industry? You sell systems by providing 
"effects" that make the managers think it's brilliant even it's not. One of the 
companies I use to work for had a good solid system with generally better 
functionality than the companies we were competing against but we often lost 
deals because we didn't have the flash-whizz-bang effects of the other systems. 
Eventually we put them in even though from a business perspective they were 
completely useless just so that we ended up on the short list...

> KDE 4 is getting there...but it's NOT THERE YET.

And neither is Vista but it doesn't stop Microsoft selling it... :-) At least 
you have the choice with openSUSE about what you want to install. Even if it's 
Gnome :-)

Anyway, I'm going back to my hole now as I have work to do.

-- 
Regards
Scott Newton
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