Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
On Sunday 18 May 2008 15:22, Basil Chupin wrote:
Just for the record.. take openSUSE 10.3 and "just" change the compiler, rebuild all stuff, then you will figure you have $N new regressions..this is much more complicated than what you think. I understand this, but nobody asked for this to be done
This is where your thinking goes wrong.
and everyone out here expects,
Speak for yourself, please. This might be your personal expectation, but you may find yourself pretty alone with this view.
just like in the past, for a better put-together version of SuSE- a progression of the OS and not a regression. If 'you' want to put out a new version of the OS then say so, give it a new name to identify that it is a write-up from scratch and also tell everyone that this is what the next version - 11.0 - is all about.
Wouldn't you think that that .0 in the version indicates that there are a lot new things? That's the normal way to announce major changes.
I have said this elsewhere, 11.0 is little different to 10.3
This couldn't be farther removed from reality.
Apart from the new KDE4 which you mentioned:
The installation workflow is brand new.
The look & feel of the installation workflow is brand new, and ALL of the underlying subsystems are significantly changed (Qt4, mod-UI, UI now really separate from yast2-core).
Package management has gotten another major overhaul: New dependency solver (a.k.a. "sat-solver"), major changes in libzypp, much better performance.
And those are just a few points that immediately came to my mind. There are more changes, of course.
from what I have seen except for the new kernel.
This is a change most users won't even notice IMHO.
However, the biggest difference is KDE - which is what is bringing openSUSE down and which is making me feel sorry for all the effort you fellows have put into v11.0. Even KDE3.x is now being affected by what is in KDE4 -- and KDE4 is not ready to be pushed on to the public, irrespective of what the fellow with his hair dangling down and covering half his face because he cannot afford a haircut tells 'us' in his UTube blurb.
You may or may not like the new KDE4, and you are right in that it is still far from complete or polished in a way most KDE users wish it was.
But this is a chicken-and-egg problem: Without a significant user base out there using KDE4, it won't ever get complete or even polished. Many issues will go unnoticed, and developers of non-core KDE applications will feel a lot less compelled to port their apps to KDE4 (including myself with KDirStat).
Yet, I think that KDE4 is more than a big public beta. There are a lot of users out there eager to get it, and we should deliver something for them, too.
This is EXACTLY the sort of KDE4 at any cost mentality that I've been complaining about KDE4 is ****NOT**** even Beta...Even the KDE website still calls KDE4 ***ALPHA***-grade software, and yet, dunderheads like you, stefan, insist on foisting it on new users as ready for production use. SHAME ON YOU! Again...would someone PLEASE put an ***ADULT*** in charge of the SuSE 11.0 release, as it's so f***ing obvious that people like you, Stefan are NOT mature enough to make the crucial decisions regarding this release. You're just DETERMINED to make KDE4 the default KDE version on SuSE 11.0...even though even the KDE4 people's own assessment of the state of the software and progress rate tell us that such a move would result in SuSE 11.0 being a complete TRAIN WRECK. Wake the f*** up. KDE 4 is *NOT* ready, and WILL NOT BE READY for production use. They don't even expect it to be BETA level until sometime this summer -- which means that a PRODUCTION QUALITY version of KDE4 will not be available until 2009.
But KDE3 is still there. I am not sure in which way you feel that KDE3 is affected by KDE4; but we may all find this version of KDE3 to be the most stable ever, because most development efforts in the KDE project went to KDE4, so KDE3 received little more than bug fixes.
Because, unlike KDE 4...it KDE 3 WORKS. If you can't get a clue, then go buy one.
CU
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