Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3031 mails)

[Tero Pesonen <teropesonen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday 08 February 2008, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Thursday 07 February 2008 14:07, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
> > Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2008 Randall R Schulz:
> > > On Thursday 07 February 2008 12:34, Benji Weber wrote:
> > > > This is not the case. A browser running as a user can do
> > > > anything the user is allowed to do.
> > >
> > > A browser is just a browser. I can do only the things browsers
> > > do. It is not a compiler or a general-purpose computational
> > > agent.
> >
> > Randall, for brevity's sake, it can do whatever an ELF LSB
> > executable chooses to in your backyard.
>
> No, that is not so. Can you point me to a known exploit on Firefox
> (e.g.) that allows execution of arbitrary code? 'Cause that's what
> you're claiming.
>
> > You are right, of course: The community has a top track record of
> > finding and solving issues. Distros don't come with trojans and
> > vicious firefox because of that. Great, and nowhere near the
> > outlandish security issues Windows people have seen.
> >
> > So, given the amount of hard work security forums put into linux
> > security, what was good again about repeating over and over "It's
> > safe anyway"?
>
> The question is, what's the good of repeating over and over again
> that Linux is as vulnerable as Windows (a near-absolute falsehood)?
>
> > What are you saying?
>
> Let me see if I can phrase this another way:
>
>   Linux is safe when used intelligently.
>   Intelligent use includes using secure passwords and
>    applying security upgrades when they're made available.
>   Intelligent use excludes running binaries or scripts supplied
>    by unknown individuals.
>
>
> If that's too complicated for someone, they shouldn't be using a
> computer at all.

So, are Windows XP or Vista not safe then when used intelligently?

--Tero Pesonen
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