Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3434 mails)

[Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sunday 27 January 2008 12:58, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Johannes Nohl wrote:
> > > I'm afraid you're right on that, but I hope that they at least
> > > appreciate the feedback they got from us. It could sometimes be more
> > > worth than an advice of a Goldman Sachs investment banker... ;)
> >
> > Good point. Finnally you could ask yourself how long there will be a
> > community version of suse at all. Whether they don't listen to their
> > users demands or there won't be users because they went away to
> > another distro.
>
> When you're not paying a single Eur for the software,
> your "demands" are not all that interesting to a company
> which has to make a payroll every week.
>
> Get this through your head... opensuse is *NOT* a charity
> project for Johannes Nohl and his Linux buddies -- it's
> a test-bed for developing SLED and SLES distributions,
> which happens to serve a PR purpose in a loss-leader
> sort of way.
>
> And no, I have *no* association with SuSE, other than as
> a user (and before they discontinued retail distribution,
> a customer).
>
> > I ask again: If I'm forced to replace opensuse on some projects to a
> > distribution with a longer life cycle why should I keep opensuse on my
> > desktop?
>
> Do what you have to do.  But remember, nobody is going
> to just give away long life cycle support, while also
> maintaining a hi release rate -- maintaining 5 to 10
> releases simultaneously is *not* a trivial task -- it
> requires a significant number of man-hours.
>
> > I'm on the move, probably. I'll see what will happen in april 2008...
>
> You get high quality stuff for free, and then complain,
> because the life-cycle is "only" 18 months.
>
> Do you realize how much of a complete ingrate you make
> yourself appear to be?
>
> Why don't you lobby for a return of OpenSuse Professional,
> which was not nearly as expensive as SLED OR SLES, but
> sales of such could finance significant longer-term
> support.
>
> If you want something which COSTS MONEY, then be
> prepared to pay for it, and quite *WHINING* that
> it's not being given to you IN ADDITION to a very
> convenient software distribution which has a value
> in many thousands of euros.
>
> The horse is dead; no matter how many times you
> kick it, it isn't going to get up and run a race.
>
> > Johannes

I disagree with your rant.  I would like to see the return of SuSE Pro,
and I don't mind paying $60 or so for it, but I do mind paying $200 or so for
SLES or SLED (I don't understand the difference) and I want the manuals.
You admit that SuSE Pro paid for itself, it came with the manuals, and you
could buy it at a decent bookstore.  And it came with some non-open-source
things that were useful.  What was wrong with that system?  Why must we 
bow down to Microsoft?  It seems that they now own SuSE, and are determined
to make it less and less attractive.  If I didn't have a whole batch of stored
files on this stable, older SuSE distro, I would try something else in a 
minute.  And I may, anyway.

--doug


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