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Re: [opensuse] Why are there not more using Linux?
- From: Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:06:02 -0600
- Message-id: <479A08EA.1030207@xxxxxxxxxx>
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
I didn't say the problems had to be resolved by the Linux Community as
such. I was reading all the stuff that was being written that didn't
address the original question so I popped in my $0.02 worth. The
original question, in case you've forgotten, is why aren't more people
using Linux. The question was asked on a Linux list. It wasn't asked on
a vendor list.
The fact that there was no quote in my original reply should have been a
clue that I wasn't replying directly to any one persons message.
Unlike some people I DO NOT keep every e-mail that comes through every
list I'm on. I read and delete. If it's something that I feel is
important I will save it to another folder. If it's REALLY important I
will print it. "Threading" would do no good because there is nothing to
"thread". Nothing in my "Trash" folder is over three days old. It
automatically deletes anything over that. If I don't need it in three
days I don't need it at all. I also don't read every header line for
line. In fact all I see in the header field is Subject, From, Date, To.
My preference.
Big hassle. Plop in the CD that comes with whatever, click a few check
box's, and it works. Bigger hassle, go to the web site and download a
file. Run the file. Click a few check box's. It works.
OK, OK, OK! I know it's not a "LINUX" problem. HOWEVER, it is a problem
FOR Linux.
We do a little light tech support for a local ISP. I swear there are
people out there that are just plain to stupid to even own a computer.
About 90% are just barely able to turn one on and click the proper icon
to start a program.
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On Friday 25 January 2008 11:58:30 Billie Walsh wrote:
On 01/24/2008 Jonathan Ervine wrote:
<snip>I never said these were "kernel developer" problems. Just that if the
</snip>
Linux Community wants Average Joe User to move over then these are
problems that will have to be solved so they "just work".
Why is it the responsibility of the 'Linux community' to fix problems with
hardware vendors not supplying the code to run their hardware or working with
the Linux driver project? How is the 'Linux community' supposed to solve
these problems? You're mailing to a Linux list, I think your list of
complaints is better directed elsewhere. Your email was also a direct reply
to one of the Linux kernel developers - hence why it seemed your complaints
were directed there...
I didn't say the problems had to be resolved by the Linux Community as
such. I was reading all the stuff that was being written that didn't
address the original question so I popped in my $0.02 worth. The
original question, in case you've forgotten, is why aren't more people
using Linux. The question was asked on a Linux list. It wasn't asked on
a vendor list.
The fact that there was no quote in my original reply should have been a
clue that I wasn't replying directly to any one persons message.
Unlike some people I DO NOT keep every e-mail that comes through every
list I'm on. I read and delete. If it's something that I feel is
important I will save it to another folder. If it's REALLY important I
will print it. "Threading" would do no good because there is nothing to
"thread". Nothing in my "Trash" folder is over three days old. It
automatically deletes anything over that. If I don't need it in three
days I don't need it at all. I also don't read every header line for
line. In fact all I see in the header field is Subject, From, Date, To.
My preference.
Average Joe User doesn't want to jump through hoops to make it work. He
just wants a computer that he can turn on and EVERYTHING works without
hastles.
Then use the nv, radeon, Intel drivers for video and check the hardware
before
purchase? Even on Windows EVERYTHING doesn't work without hassles - you still
have to install vendor supplied drivers or visit websites to install drivers.
(Possibly, at a stretch, Macs provide the computing nirvana you're seeking)
Big hassle. Plop in the CD that comes with whatever, click a few check
box's, and it works. Bigger hassle, go to the web site and download a
file. Run the file. Click a few check box's. It works.
OK, OK, OK! I know it's not a "LINUX" problem. HOWEVER, it is a problem
FOR Linux.
We do a little light tech support for a local ISP. I swear there are
people out there that are just plain to stupid to even own a computer.
About 90% are just barely able to turn one on and click the proper icon
to start a program.
I'm not complaining. Just stating fact.
Me personally, I made a decision to move over and deal with things as
they come up. I have gotten my TV cards [ supported ] to work, off and
on. It's just way less hastle to turn on a TV than fart around in Yast
to get it to work every little bit. The WiFi card is "supported" but
about every third or fourth time I turn it on the damned thing won't
connect. Then I have to fart around with the setup to get it working
again. Most of the time if I'm in the computer room I just plug in the
cable.
Complain to Atheros or whoever manufactures your wireless card. Ah yes, they
won't listen to you, so it's easier to complain here. Fortunately, I've never
had to use a madwifi card, although have had plenty of fun with Broadcom
wireless and ndiswrapper and now, bcm43xx firmware ripping. I can only assume
both these solutions are far superior to madwifi, as they don't refuse to
connect on every 3-4 connection attempts.
Jon
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