Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3073 mails)

[Tom Patton <thpnalb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 18:10 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
> Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 jdd:
> > Tom Patton a écrit :
> > > On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 18:59 +0100, jdd wrote:

> jdd, Tom, pardon my french, but do you realize how braindead this is? Writing 
> a boot script to fix a confirmed and resolvable bug which is starting to grow 
> really old and smelly in the pipeline?
>
> Instead of doing the right thing and go bug and *help* the people that have 
> the ability and responsibility to fix the bugs they've introduced way too 
> many linux folks tend to happily spend hours of creating hapless and 
> embarrassing workarounds.
>
> I think that's the dark side of geek culture: For any given problem we rather 
> create 10 ridiculous kludges instead of come up with the one obvious solution 
> (fixing the original problem).
>
> The irony of this: Linux geeks are totally unaware of the FUD this creates 
> among non-geeks who want to get rid of windows because of microsoft's FUD.
>
> Wolfgang
I agree with you to a point.  

I did not have a chance to look into why the bttv driver failed to load
on reboot, and then I noticed the other report here with the same issue,
and thence the black-list information.  I had my own work-thru going,
and it was VERY low priority at the time.  (For one reason, this pc
typically runs weeks at a time, unless there is a kernel update or a
power outage.)

Perhaps I miss-read the bug report, but it sounded as tho the pci system
failed to identify some generic cards, and so they shot-gunned it with
the black-listing to opt out of loading the driver mindlessly without
user intervention.  That seems very prudent to me.  

Over-ruling that decision by commenting out the black-list seems to work
in MY situation, and I don't have to manually load the bttv driver.

I do not see this as a major issue, or one that fuels the MS war.    I'm
reasonably certain that the root cause will eventually be resolved, and
THEY will remove the black-list sheriff ANYWAY.  

Imagine the odds of even BEING ABLE TO WORK_AROUND in a MS system!!!
Good luck with THAT chore, sir.  I'm sure this WOULD have been a windoz
show-stopper, with the only hope to wait 6 months for an update!!!  Give
me SuSE ANY DAY!

Tom in NM



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