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Re: [opensuse] Re: Zen v. vmware-Workstation to virtualize XP in 10.2
- From: "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:25:47 -0500
- Message-id: <46FCBA8B.3090301@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Jonathan Ervine wrote:
> On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
>> David C. Rankin wrote:
>>> Mates,
>>> I have a P4
>>> duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space.
>>> Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will
>>> have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I
>>> ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx
>>> Designer.
>
> You should also consider VMware Server. Yes, it's also closed source,
> but is freely available/downloadable.
>
>> Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly
>> demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing.
>
> I also agree that wine should be capable of running these applications.
> Of course, Crossover Office from Codeweavers is available to provide a
> shiny front end to wine to make using it much easier.
>
>> Personally, I don't feel that 1gb of RAM is really enough to do
>> virtual machines. Either your main machine or your virtual machine
>> has to get squeezed too much.
>
> /nods - 1GB is _just about_ enough to get one VM running, and it feels
> sluggish either in the VM, the host, or both :-)
>
>> BTW, it is "Xen" not "Zen" "-)
>>
>> There is also a new article on the wiki dealing with virtualization:
>>
>> http://news.opensuse.org/?p=371
>
> Also worth pointing out that Xen requires CPUs with the virtualisation
> technology on board to be able to virtualise Windows XP (you could also
> use LVM as well for that matter). You can check for this support in
> your processors by looking for the flags in /proc/cpuinfo - for AMD
> it's svm, for Intel it's vmx
>
> Regards,
> Jon
Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 15
model : 4
model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1867.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 5
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
bogomips : 6671.97
clflush size : 64
processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 15
model : 4
model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1867.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 5
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
bogomips : 6669.25
clflush size : 64
Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do...
--
David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
(936) 715-9333
(936) 715-9339 fax
www.rankinlawfirm.com
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> On Thursday 27 September 2007 19:01:26 Jonathan Arnold wrote:
>> David C. Rankin wrote:
>>> Mates,
>>> I have a P4
>>> duo-core processor w/1Gig of RAM and plenty of harddrive space.
>>> Where can I get more info to see if Zen will work or whether I will
>>> have to try a closed source vmware-Workstation. The only apps I
>>> ever need in XP are quickbooks, and occasionally an old Micrografx
>>> Designer.
>
> You should also consider VMware Server. Yes, it's also closed source,
> but is freely available/downloadable.
>
>> Have you tried Wine for these apps? They don't seem particularly
>> demanding and I would assume Wine would work. Much less taxing.
>
> I also agree that wine should be capable of running these applications.
> Of course, Crossover Office from Codeweavers is available to provide a
> shiny front end to wine to make using it much easier.
>
>> Personally, I don't feel that 1gb of RAM is really enough to do
>> virtual machines. Either your main machine or your virtual machine
>> has to get squeezed too much.
>
> /nods - 1GB is _just about_ enough to get one VM running, and it feels
> sluggish either in the VM, the host, or both :-)
>
>> BTW, it is "Xen" not "Zen" "-)
>>
>> There is also a new article on the wiki dealing with virtualization:
>>
>> http://news.opensuse.org/?p=371
>
> Also worth pointing out that Xen requires CPUs with the virtualisation
> technology on board to be able to virtualise Windows XP (you could also
> use LVM as well for that matter). You can check for this support in
> your processors by looking for the flags in /proc/cpuinfo - for AMD
> it's svm, for Intel it's vmx
>
> Regards,
> Jon
Hmm. Crud.. i looks like I have 'vme' on both cores:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 15
model : 4
model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1867.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 5
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
bogomips : 6671.97
clflush size : 64
processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 15
model : 4
model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.33GHz
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1867.000
cache size : 1024 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 1
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 5
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid xtpr
bogomips : 6669.25
clflush size : 64
Does anyone know if vme absolutely won't work? More reading to do...
--
David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
(936) 715-9333
(936) 715-9339 fax
www.rankinlawfirm.com
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