Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1911 mails)

[Magnus Boman <captain.magnus@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 09:21 +0200, Clayton wrote:
> > Clayton's second email in this thread resumes why they shouldnt have
> > made a separated version of yast sw_single. And if it was to have
> > improvements in qt version (which several people think it needs, I
> > think it needs too), then they could make the improvements in qt
> > version, and have the gtk version exactly like the qt version, so it
> > would be more consistent, dont you agree?
> >
> > But that hasnt happened, I tell you why I think it hasnt happened:
> > 1) Gnome guys want to make it different, they dont care about having a
> > consistent look in both versions
> > 2) They (the original yast guys and the gnome guys) cant agree in a
> > way of doing it. They cant agree or they dont care
> >
> > From observation fo what has happened seems both (1) and (2)  are true
> 
> This is EXACTLY my point.  I think it's great that the Google Summer
> of Code resulted in a GTK version of YAST for Gnome (I was vaguely
> aware of it when it happened from conversations about it on the
> mailing list).  What boggles my mind is that instead of getting a GTK
> _version_ of the software manager, we get a TOTALLY different software
> manager.  This is NOT good.  This is a bad thing.  Support now has to
> have two different procedures in mixed KDE/Gnome environment using the
> SAME distribution.
> 
> I do a lot of phone support for remote openSUSE installs.  They are a
> mix of Gnome and KDE depending on the preference of the users... they
> are going to be migrating to 10.3 a couple of months after it is
> released... and I am  facing the mess of retraining half my user base
> on the software installer because of a poorly thought out change in
> the core tools that make openSUSE better than the other distributions.
>  I am seriously disappointed here.  I know I should have raised this
> waaaay back in the early Alpha stages, but I didn't notice this then.
> 
> YAST is one of the shiny bits about openSUSE.  It is bar none, my
> favorite admin tool in any distribution.  It works.  It works well,
> and up until now, it didn't matter if you were using Gnome, KDE,
> WindowMaker or whatever... it was consistent and predictable.  As a
> support person, that is CRITICAL.  I can't stress this enough!
> 
> In answer to a couple of points raised by Rajko....
> 
> This is not a case of "I don't like it because I am not used to it."
> This is a case of a change that makes the life of support (and
> Documentation) a royal pain in the backside.  This was an unnecessary
> change...
> 
> I could care less about icons.  Personally I think the Tango icons are
> incredibly ugly, but if they are the ones used in YAST, then fine..
> it's just an icon.  I don't care and I will use it (yes I am aware
> that I can switch to Crystal icons, but I can't be bothered to do
> this... it's not that important).
> 
> Small differences between the text version and the QT version are
> fine... you will never get a complete clone from one interface to
> another... and if the GTK native version of YAST was marginally
> different, I could live with it.  Instead we get something that isn't
> even remotely similar.  I thought, oh, this is just the default and if
> I click one of the other view options I can get something similar to
> the QT version.. instead I get something even worse for usability.
> 
> So... what am I saying?  It's fine to gave a GTK version of YAST but
> NOT at the cost of loosing the consistency in the toolset that makes
> openSUSE better than everyone else.  This is the situation we have now
> with 10.3, and frankly, I'm VERY disappointed (just in case you
> couldn't already tell from my rant here)
> 
> C.

It's not like you are forced to use it you know.
sudo sed -i -e
's:^WANTED_GUI="auto":WANTED_GUI="qt":' /etc/sysconfig/yast2
Voila, your problem is solved.

Cheers,
Magnus


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