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Re: [opensuse] Who said Linux doesnot get Virus infections
- From: lerninlinux@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:46:25 +0000
- Message-id: <090520070646.14589.46DE50C100027325000038FD2206424613989A0207040207029D0A04@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 07:38 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> >> Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> >>> lware.
> >>> Ok, tell me, seeing that I know nothing, if I can compromise a Linux
> >>> users home dir - why cant I send out spam?
> >> I have never claimed such a thing is impossible, but it is far more
> >> difficult to do with Linux. In order to send out spam, something has to
> >> execute that can do that. That means the user has to make something
> >> executable and then execute it. That barrier is much lower in Windows.
> >> The bottom line, which you apparently refuse to accept, is that it is
> >> much more difficult for such problems to occur with Linux. Please note,
> >> I'm not saying impossible, just much more difficult. Please also
> >> understand that Windows was built as a single user system, without many
> >> of the security methods that are standard in Linux & Unix and you can
> >> add to that some extremely poor software design in MS products, that
> >> turn them into a security sieve. This means no matter how careful a
> >> user is, Windows will always be far more risky.
> > I think we agree on the subject.
> > Last thing - I dont think most virus/trojan/DOSattack writers do it
> > because its easy to do it in Windows (which it is), but because its got
> > a huge impact on the computer industry (80% odd using flavor of Win) ->
> > and in there lies my main argument, that if it is do-able in Linux
> > (irrelevant of afford) it will hit the successful Desktop Linux market.
> In which case, you're dumber than a box of rocks.
> Windows malware often requires NO user action to cause damage,
> where as you have demonstrated your absolute REFUSAL to even
> understand that the security model of Unix/Linux (going all the
> way back to the 1970's) REQUIRES that a user do several specific
> steps to make a malware package run...things that a "clueless
> newbie" isn't going to know how to do in the first place--thus
> protecting him/her from his own ignorance.
> Now shut up, and get a freaking clue.
> > And thats all he wrote
> > Hans
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To try to make it CIVIL and uncomplicated, I am going to give an example that I give to my Windows friends.
The Amish computer virus. It works like this:
You have just received the Amish virus.
Since we have no electricity or computers, you are on the honor system.
Please delete all of your files on your hard drive. Then forward this message to everyone in your address book.
We thank thee.
That is a simplification. If you have gained access to a persons home directory your a step closer to rooting the box. (depending on the users authority) You may or may not have rights to run programs, etc. If not, then you need to get administrator rights, and you have to take another step.
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