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Re: [opensuse] Re: mailing from CLI
- From: "Theo v. Werkhoven" <theo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:34:53 +0200
- Message-id: <20070421223453.GA11154@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sat, 21 Apr 2007, by jschrod@xxxxxxx:
> Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> >Fri, 20 Apr 2007, by jschrod@xxxxxxx:
> >
> >>Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> >>>>Joachim Schrod wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Configuring a local mail systems means to configure and start a
> >>>>local service that can send email (and deliver email from the local
> >>>>to the local system, which is needed for other system services like
> >>>>cron). Most service implementations (postfix, sendmail) involve a
> >>>>running daemon process or at least a cron job to clean up the mail
> >>>>queue.
> >
> >Btw: the Postfix sendmail drop-in still uses a queue, even without a
> >running daemon, the user just has to flush this by hand (or by
> >script) if the connection doesn't succeed immediately.
> >I'm pretty sure the original Sendmail does this too.
>
> Eh? That's almost exactly what I wrote above (intermedieate text
> removed to make it clearer). Only that I would not flush a queue by
> hand, but would use cron for that.
I didn't read that carefully enough.
> >>Otherwise you'll miss error messages. A Unix system without a
> >>configured MTA is plain and simply misconfigured. To add a smart
> >>host to this basic configuration is trivial in 99.99% of all cases.
> >>(And Carlos' multi-ISP setup is the remaining 0.01%. :-) :-)
> >
> >There's not much to configure is there? A /etc/nsswitch.conf file,
> >a /etc/hosts file and a /etc/aliases file afaik.
>
> Sorry, but I don't understand what you want to say here.
What I'm trying to say is that there's no magic in sendmail.mc or
main.cf to be configured in order to get a working SMTP client
program.
Answering the basic questions (with sensible data) while you setup a
Linux system are enough.
> I think, we agree that one should configure the MTA on a Unix host,
> don't we?
Depends, like I said, for embedded systems I do not see the point.
For (normal) desktop and server setups I agree.
> We seem to differ in our opinion if queue flushing should be done
> automatically by a daemon process/cron job or by hand. I think
> automatic flush is the sensible way to do it, and you seem to think
> that manual queue flushing is preferable.
No, what I say is that mail works with or without an automatic flush
system. A daemon process is not absolutely neccessary to get mail
out the system.
Theo
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> Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> >Fri, 20 Apr 2007, by jschrod@xxxxxxx:
> >
> >>Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> >>>>Joachim Schrod wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Configuring a local mail systems means to configure and start a
> >>>>local service that can send email (and deliver email from the local
> >>>>to the local system, which is needed for other system services like
> >>>>cron). Most service implementations (postfix, sendmail) involve a
> >>>>running daemon process or at least a cron job to clean up the mail
> >>>>queue.
> >
> >Btw: the Postfix sendmail drop-in still uses a queue, even without a
> >running daemon, the user just has to flush this by hand (or by
> >script) if the connection doesn't succeed immediately.
> >I'm pretty sure the original Sendmail does this too.
>
> Eh? That's almost exactly what I wrote above (intermedieate text
> removed to make it clearer). Only that I would not flush a queue by
> hand, but would use cron for that.
I didn't read that carefully enough.
> >>Otherwise you'll miss error messages. A Unix system without a
> >>configured MTA is plain and simply misconfigured. To add a smart
> >>host to this basic configuration is trivial in 99.99% of all cases.
> >>(And Carlos' multi-ISP setup is the remaining 0.01%. :-) :-)
> >
> >There's not much to configure is there? A /etc/nsswitch.conf file,
> >a /etc/hosts file and a /etc/aliases file afaik.
>
> Sorry, but I don't understand what you want to say here.
What I'm trying to say is that there's no magic in sendmail.mc or
main.cf to be configured in order to get a working SMTP client
program.
Answering the basic questions (with sensible data) while you setup a
Linux system are enough.
> I think, we agree that one should configure the MTA on a Unix host,
> don't we?
Depends, like I said, for embedded systems I do not see the point.
For (normal) desktop and server setups I agree.
> We seem to differ in our opinion if queue flushing should be done
> automatically by a daemon process/cron job or by hand. I think
> automatic flush is the sensible way to do it, and you seem to think
> that manual queue flushing is preferable.
No, what I say is that mail works with or without an automatic flush
system. A daemon process is not absolutely neccessary to get mail
out the system.
Theo
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