On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 21:33 -0600, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 26 February 2007 21:01, John Andersen wrote:
If yes to the above, what message comes back?
More to the point, if you press and hold the power button what happens? Shutdown? Yup. heh... no no no , actually... I was trying to do some diagnostics with MacGyver... I want to find out (on his box) whether the machine as a suspend button, whether it is grayed out, and if not what message he gets back when an average user presses it... I would like to know what happens on his box when someone other than root tries to suspend the system from the desktop. I'm actually out of the debating mode now and am really trying to help him. (I know, hard to believe)
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Sorry for not replying yesterday, had some other things that required looking at. (not PC related) Short answer, yes, there is a suspend option, and yes, it is active and not greyed out... Longer answer, it isn't Kde, it's Gnome, and "Log Out", "Shut Down" "Restart" and "Suspend" are the 4 options. When I choose the "Suspend" option, screen flickers, then the screen gets to the locked screen as if it had been locked manually or screensaver had started... When log back in, an error message pops up with a link (an old one at that) to the Gnome site... This link was kind of less than helpful, because it always assumed that the problem was down to hardware issues, which this wasn't as root could do it no problem. (if acpi/hardware, root'd not be able to do it, which is the case with the machine I am now writing this mail on - i've never got it to hibernate - so kinda resigned to that for this box) I did a bit more digging, and found that a local user (/etc/passwd) can suspend the machine properly, but an LDAP authenticated one couldn't. At this time, also found a minor error in my LDAP config which I fixed (clicked on wrong option on install, i'd set the Group Map ou to be the user ou, oooops) Have to say here, this didn't change anything with the suspend/hibernate issue mind.... After what I'd read about /etc/Policykit/privilge.d/hal-power* files, i did a bit of logic playing, and changed the "RequiredPrivileges=" option to "RequiredPrivileges=desktop-console" Restarted rdbus and rcpolicykitd, now things are working. I did try, and then revert, the Allow=uid:root to Allow=uid:__all__, but the whole point here was letting the person on the console do this action - not all. Remote connections as agreed, definitely shouldn't be able to do it unless su'd to root, which is fair enough really... What I suppose grieves me now that I have it working, is that it really shouldn't be this hard. Yast has no wrapper for this, which I kinda think it should, certainly under the Power Management settings.. Yeah yeah, editing text files ain't hard for me or some others (i spend 90+% of working life at CLI, it's my job), but this is the kind of thing that needs to have some thought, so that people that are new to *nix don't have to go rumaging around for. To be fair, Suse is far better with it's "gui" management tools than Fedora, by almost a complete universe. After all, the PC is a tool, bit like a air compressor... you can change the bits on the end of the pipe (your programs) and you can be skilled in getting "product" out, but you shouldn't have to open the case and fiddle with the electronics inside just so pressing the power switch turns it off. Cheers AM
Kind regards,
M Harris <><
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Angus MacGyver