Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3139 mails)

[Curtis Rey <crey@xxxxxxxxxx>]

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On Wed October 4 2006 10:52, Sunny wrote:
> The end point is, that IMHO the combination Ximian/Suse is not good
> for anybody, while every one of them by itself is pretty good in all
> technical aspects. But looks like too much politics are involved, and
> in the end of the day both projects may be harmed very bad, which is
> not good for us as users.

I tend to agree with you on this matter.  I don't find any repos/repositories 
for stuff like GNOME that is officially released by Novell.  You can get 3rd 
party packages - but what about the "official" Novell/Ximian/Gnome packages?

I'm using 10.0 (avoided 10.1 after hearing all the laments and complaints).  
And I realize that there have been some fairly substantial changes between 
10.0 and 10.1.  However, this doesn't explain why this specific tactic of 
package availability has changed so much since Novell took control.  It was 
somewhat gradual but now is in full swing and I frankly find it vexing to say 
the least.  

I find it particularly ironic that in the early days of SuSE the Gnome 
offerings were a tad on the slim side (as far as devel of Gnome packages 
tailored for SuSE distos).  But what's up now?  I mean Ximian is a Gnome 
company (or a Novell division now) and they're making packages "specifically" 
for SuSE.  So where are these "official" Novell/Ximian/SuSE packages?   Liike 
I said, you can get packages for usr-local-bin and others (guru, etc..) but 
it's not the stuff that the devs at Novell made is it?  And what happened to 
RUG, Red-Carpet, etc..?   Were they replaced (I'm guessing so - for Xen 
BLEH)!  I'm sure there are others that may have wondered the same thing.  
Gnome is still GPL isn't it?   What, Ximians Gnome efforts are exempt from 
this?  If not - WHERE IS THE STUFF???  Or is it that they won't release any 
Gnome packages that are in devel and not directly assigned/attributed to a 
specific release?   

Consider this.  At the OpenSuSE site there are "no" Gnome listing.  I can't 
find anything on the Novell site (though I do admit that there's likely a few 
on the list that know where to find these - if they actually exist).  All you 
find on the OpenSuSE site are those things that resemble the original SuSE 
stuff (pre-Novell).  These are namely KDE, core packages such as kernels and 
config packages (aaa packages, etc..).  Not a Gnome package in site - and 
that's the ironic part!!!  

Considering That Novell (and Ximian - is this a De Acaza thing?) tried to push 
Gnome as the default desktop I fail to understand why they wouldn't make the 
Gnome stuff available?!?!  If you want to promote something (especially in 
Open Source) you'd think they would let people kick the tires as it were. I 
would think they would take the opportunity to make these sorts of stuff 
available to let people acclimate to it - But Nooooooooooo!!!  

I hate to say it but I feared that this sort of thing would happen with Novell 
at the wheel - and it's seems my fears are coming true!  Further irony is 
that certian industry publications are touting Novells Enterprise Desktop and 
the Gnome interface, yet the core user population (those that helped drag 
SuSE from the dream into reality) are shut out.  I don't understand the suits 
and likely never will - they can't do things on merit or technical value, 
they have to make everything political and contriving.  

Anyone know where Mantel is working - is he doing Slackware or some other 
distro? :)

Just my $0.02.  Curtis




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