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张韡武 wrote:

> 在 2006-09-30六的 19:23 +0200，Jan Engelhardt写道：
>  
>
> > > > This symbol (￥) is very important to me, it means Chinese money,
> > > > RMB or CNY. I use it everyday on OOCalc. How do I enter this
> > > > symbol?
> > > >
> > > > The old way is to keep it in tomboy (a memo application) and copy
> > > > & paste it to OOCalc when I need it.
> > > >
> > > > Windows (Chinese version) has a special feature to enter this
> > > > symbol easily.
> > > >
> > > > Other symbols I don't know how to enter in Linux are:
> > > >     1. 、
> > > >     2. 《》
> > > >
> > > > These symbols are very frequently used Chinese punctuations. They are
> > > > all available in Windows as 'software keyboard' that when enabled, each
> > > > key is replaced by a Chinese punctuation. Thanks to this interesting
> > > > feature, currently no Chinese keyboard actually implement these
> > > > punctuations as separate key.
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I tried to look for them in char-map but is not able to find them
> > > > easily. The way I keep using is google-for-it-and-copy&paste.
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Use UTF-8 charset if you cannot see my example punctuations
> > > > correctly. If your font doesn't include these punctuations, try use GNU
> > > > Unifont or check the screenshot I made and attached to this email.
> > > >        
> > > Well on my British layout keyboard, I have the following:
> > > Shift + Alt Gr + Y = ¥ (165)
> > > Alt Gr + Z = « (171)
> > > Alt Gr + X = » (187)
> > >      
> > On a regular US, with compose enabled:
> >
> > <Compose> + "=" + "Y" = ¥ (probably not the same as ￥)
> > <Compose> + "<" + "<" = « (definitely not the same as 《 )
> >    
>
> How do we enable COMPOSE? Is it a key on the keyboard?
>
> I can try to find keyboards with COMPOSE key.
>
>  
>
> > And the other is Compose>>.
> >
> >    
> >
> > > I can't find the other one [、 (12289)], but it is possibly there somewhere. 
> > > Unfortunately, there's no guarantee that they will be on the same keys for 
> > > your layout.
> > >      
> > I do not know offhand if SCIM behaves the same way as MS-IME for
> > puncutation, that is, creating 。 and 、 (when in Japanese).
> >    
>
> No. SCIM gives double width version of a character but not necessarily
> Chinese version of a character.
>
> E.g. 1:
>
> When I type dollar sign in Chinese input mode, in Windows the symbol for
> Chinese Yuan is printed out. In Linux, ooops, a double-width USD symbol
> is printed out. Who need double-width USD Symbol? Plainly SCIM gives
> double-width version of every original symbol but not their Chinese
> counterparts.
>
> E.g. 2:
>
> When I type hyphen/dash in Chinese mode, I am expecting Chinese
> punctuation "──" (a.k.a. "破折号"). If I were using Winodws, a "破折号"
> would be printed out. But actually SCIM gives me this symbole: "－",
> This is not the correct symbol. What SCIM gives me is the double-width
> version of hyphen, which is a symbol almost not at all used in Chinese
> text. See the difference:
>
> 看吧，它飞舞着，象个精灵，──高傲的，黑色的暴风雨的精灵，
> 看吧，它飞舞着，象个精灵，－－高傲的，黑色的暴风雨的精灵，
>
> sorry this is off topic. Anyway there are still a lot of localisation
> necessary for Linux for Chinese users.
>
>  
>
> > Jan Engelhardt
> >    
I would be surprised if this is a Linux limitation. I think this may be 
a stumbling block in SLE. Why don't you post your question in CentOS 4 
forum at http://www.centos.org/ and see if Red Hat handles this 
differently than Suse?

(CentOS = Community Enterprise OS, it's the OpenSource version of Red 
Hat Enterprise Linux; used by a lot of U.S. universities)