-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun August 20 2006 01:03, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 05:19:27PM -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Your problem is you are conveniently "here".
I am angry the same way you are, being the security guy who has to use this framework :/
The problem is that there is no one good to blame, since all can be explained by rational decisions in the end.
- We needed to change and enhance the package handling. mostly for multiple repositories, the easy ability to have add-on products, integration of the "update" mechanism with the regular package manager.
- We needed to incorporate ZEN to have a concise remote management solution for SLE, our large customers just want this.
It was also an attempt to bring ZEN internally closer to YAST.
It worked to some degree, but there are problems to be worked out.
- Timing :/ We could not delay until it was as (quality) ready as we would have liked it, mostly we could not delay SUSE Linux any longer
Marcus. I have never ever blamed you or any of the original SuSE devs and staff. I attribute many of my present misgivings to the suits. Funny how the devs get relegated a low spot on the food chain - especially ironic in light of the roots of Linux and FOSS (since the devs dragged what exists today into reality by the sweat of their brows). I also fully understand the demand of those large corporate clients. Folding in Zen to supplant YaST is another end result of the corporate merger. What angers me the most is that those that made these decisions do so in a manner to that led to the current situation. They did not fold things in gracefully and the needed infrastructure to make the transition smoother was not in place - IMHO they put the cart before the horse. I know you guys work your arses off and have a great deal of pride in what you do. So I'm assuming that this has been a bitter pill to swallow. But when I can't even get simple programs working any longer it really makes me wonder why I should bother with the hassle. I mean when I can't even get GNOME to run right, let alone self contained programs such as NWN (which never ever presented a problem before) I have to think to myself - "where's all this going"? Just for the record don't ever think that we blame you (at least I don't). You and the other SuSE devs are what made things happen in the first place. The question isn't what did you guys do wrong. The question is will the suits direct product development toward a dead end? I sure hope not. Machts gut - doch! Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! "The only problem with capitalism is capitalists, they're so damn greedy!" President Herbert Hoover -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE6Bvl7CQBg4DqqCwRAhFnAKDA8PDhonadm6AjYpylB3bl20pMBQCgt0bj al9P/puiF5S9XoI2C3u/FqY= =SVh/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----