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Re: [opensuse] Novell GPL violation thread on Groklaw
- From: BandiPat <penguin0601@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 10:51:47 -0400
- Message-id: <200608061051.47501.penguin0601@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Sunday 06 August 2006 09:59, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Hi,
>
> BandiPat schrieb:
> > there is no mention of such in the box
>
> "find /usr/share/doc/packages -name COPYING | head" returns:
>
> /usr/share/doc/packages/gnome-icon-theme/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/yast2-schema/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/yast2-trans-de/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/tango-icon-theme/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/audiofile/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/cabextract/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/dosfstools/dosfsck/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/dosfstools/mkdosfs/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/ethtool/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/expat/COPYING
>
> And these are only the first 10 ones.
>========
And these are located where? Are they listed in the manual that comes
with the box, on the box or simply somewhere that a new or old user
wouldn't think to look? I know they are available, but it should be
very well listed where they can be obtained, not hidden.
[...]
> The GPL requires that the sources must be offered, it even allows
> charging a fee for that. And they are offered:
>
> http://www.novell.com/de-de/products/suselinux/source_code.html
>========
Yes, the fact that a charge could be obtained for SuSE sending them out
to a user requesting them was known when they didn't arrive with 10.0.
But unlike 10.0, 10.1 wasn't made available as a DVD iso either.
> After reading the post on groklaw again, I still don't understand it
> and actually I think the user made this post because he hates SUSE
> 10.1 quality and now searches for reasons to make a little bit of
> noise, not more.
>
> Andreas Hanke
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't really think it was a barb at SuSE generally, but like many
here, the writer was apparently quite disappointed with 10.1 and it's
many problems. I think we all have reason to be concerned with the
direction Novell is taking SuSE at the moment, as does the writer.
Outward appearances seem to indicate some bad choices on Novell's part
and if they continue in that manner, well, I don't think I need to
spell it out.
regards,
Lee
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> Hi,
>
> BandiPat schrieb:
> > there is no mention of such in the box
>
> "find /usr/share/doc/packages -name COPYING | head" returns:
>
> /usr/share/doc/packages/gnome-icon-theme/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/yast2-schema/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/yast2-trans-de/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/tango-icon-theme/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/audiofile/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/cabextract/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/dosfstools/dosfsck/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/dosfstools/mkdosfs/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/ethtool/COPYING
> /usr/share/doc/packages/expat/COPYING
>
> And these are only the first 10 ones.
>========
And these are located where? Are they listed in the manual that comes
with the box, on the box or simply somewhere that a new or old user
wouldn't think to look? I know they are available, but it should be
very well listed where they can be obtained, not hidden.
[...]
> The GPL requires that the sources must be offered, it even allows
> charging a fee for that. And they are offered:
>
> http://www.novell.com/de-de/products/suselinux/source_code.html
>========
Yes, the fact that a charge could be obtained for SuSE sending them out
to a user requesting them was known when they didn't arrive with 10.0.
But unlike 10.0, 10.1 wasn't made available as a DVD iso either.
> After reading the post on groklaw again, I still don't understand it
> and actually I think the user made this post because he hates SUSE
> 10.1 quality and now searches for reasons to make a little bit of
> noise, not more.
>
> Andreas Hanke
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't really think it was a barb at SuSE generally, but like many
here, the writer was apparently quite disappointed with 10.1 and it's
many problems. I think we all have reason to be concerned with the
direction Novell is taking SuSE at the moment, as does the writer.
Outward appearances seem to indicate some bad choices on Novell's part
and if they continue in that manner, well, I don't think I need to
spell it out.
regards,
Lee
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