Carl Hartung wrote:
*massive snip*
You seem to have a religious affiliation with SuSE. I don't. I use what works. Zen/Rug doesn't work very well. The poster of this thread complained about the same problem I was seeing. I gave him my advice. If you have a problem with that, I don't really care. You'll notice that all those posts are people who got it to simply *WORK*. i.e. the bare minimum of functionality. You'll notice that I didn't even mention that issue. The fact is that they released Zen utterly broken. They've since been patching it so that it works, but it's still a system that is less desirable than the previous and other available tools. If you disagree, that is your prerogative, go ahead and post it here. Let the reader decide.
You really ought to tack at least *one* disclamer/caveat: YMMV maybe? Why? I've had enough of this and I refuse to mince words to satisfy egoes.
So now we arrive at the truth. You're more concerned about not "satisfying egos" than contributing, objectively, to the forward momentum of the tests and eventual resolution of these problems.
You seem to be the one bending over backward to whitewash a disgraceful situation. My response has been objective: Zen/Rug doesn't work very well. Yum/Apt does. Use Yum or Apt. How does this, in your mind, translate into believing I have some sort of vendetta against SuSE?
This is Linux. If you don't like the software, fix it!
I did. I installed apt. When other people tell me they have the same issue, I give them the advice that worked for me. You know, there's another maxim in open source: Don't reinvent the wheel. There are already superior update system out there. Why deal with the problems of Zen/Rug?
If you can't, at least have the decency to treat the developers respectfully.
Why? I pay SuSE for a product. You see, I'm not running a desktop or some basement server. My business depends on these machines. I was under the impression that full SuSE releases were supposed to be designed for production machines, not to test things and hope they're eventually sorted out. Besides that, my responses have been respectful of their persons. I have not called them names. I haven't disparaged their ability. What I have disparaged is the disgraceful state of software update/management in SuSE 10.1 and my perception that SuSE isn't serious about fixing it. This is a major issue, and the developers seem to want to sweep it under the rug, if you'll pardon the pun. Something as important as this should be given a frontpage entry on opensuse.org, or at least one level down. Last I looked, you really had to search to get information about it. That gives the impression that they would rather the problem go away than actually fix it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they already have a high-speed beta version of it locked away in Germany. I can only go with the information I have in front of me, and it's not very pretty. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com