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Re: [opensuse] GNOME 2.14/15 and Ximian rants
- From: Adam Tauno Williams <adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 11:18:07 -0400
- Message-id: <1148224688.5780.10.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> And now, the "general problem": I just don't see ex-Ximian people
> >> involved into openSUSE at all.
> > I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
> By "involved", I meant being on this mailing-list and/or on
> opensuse-packaging. Besides a few of them being aggregated on
> http://planetsuse.org, I don't think I've seen them directly involved in
> any way.
They are *developers*, that should be developing and not bothered with
all this noise. Developing really good stuff, which they do, is hard
work and requires concentrated effort.
> The issue is that GNOME 2.14 is not available in GNOME supplementary,
> neither for 10.1 nor for 10.0. KDE 3.5.2 has been released roughly at
> around the same time (more or less) and has been available in KDE
> supplementary for quite some time (at least for 10.0 - builds for 10.1
> have been provided a week after 10.1 release).
> Actually, KDE 3.5.2 was released March 28, and GNOME 2.14 was on March 15.
Well, I'm a long time GNOME user. I use GNOME 10+ hours a day... and I
just don't care that much about 2.12 vs. 2.14 vs. whatever. It will
show up on my desktop/laptop at some point, but the current GNOME
easily has the features required to get my work done.
Maybe GNOME people are just lest prone to version mania.
> What I can't understand is that with acquiring Ximian, you'd expect
> Novell to be _the_ GNOME driver (as Ximian was). Sure, I guess a good
> part of the Ximian developers who were working on GNOME are now busy
> with other tasks (e.g. NetworkManager and Zen), but still.
> It just doesn't make any sense to me that the company that has some if
> not most of the lead developers of GNOME (as well as the GNOME project
> lead) on its payroll does not have up-to-date GNOME packages for its
> very own Linux distribution.
Maybe the focus of the *distribution* is just to provide a solid and
will integrated desktop environment, which the provided version of GNOME
provides?
> So either my assumptions are wrong and the former Ximian staff is not
> involved in GNOME development any more, or providing an up-to-date GNOME
> is extremely low priority at Novell and those folks are using Ubuntu or
> Fedora Core on their workstations.
Who cares what they use.
> > Now that 10.1 is out, I suspect we can expect to see 2.14 or 2.15 appear
> > in supplementary (can I just say, I'd prefer to see 2.14, at least at
> > first - good to have something mostly stable in there, but 2.15 in
> > Factory would be good, we can aim to have 2.16 in 10.2).
> GNOME 2.14 has been released March 15, 2 months ago.
Just two months ago? In a corporate environment it is freakin' *RARE*
to see ANY package updated/installed withing 2 months of its release.
> >> involved into openSUSE at all.
> > I see quite a few of them involved in some way or other, but when the
> By "involved", I meant being on this mailing-list and/or on
> opensuse-packaging. Besides a few of them being aggregated on
> http://planetsuse.org, I don't think I've seen them directly involved in
> any way.
They are *developers*, that should be developing and not bothered with
all this noise. Developing really good stuff, which they do, is hard
work and requires concentrated effort.
> The issue is that GNOME 2.14 is not available in GNOME supplementary,
> neither for 10.1 nor for 10.0. KDE 3.5.2 has been released roughly at
> around the same time (more or less) and has been available in KDE
> supplementary for quite some time (at least for 10.0 - builds for 10.1
> have been provided a week after 10.1 release).
> Actually, KDE 3.5.2 was released March 28, and GNOME 2.14 was on March 15.
Well, I'm a long time GNOME user. I use GNOME 10+ hours a day... and I
just don't care that much about 2.12 vs. 2.14 vs. whatever. It will
show up on my desktop/laptop at some point, but the current GNOME
easily has the features required to get my work done.
Maybe GNOME people are just lest prone to version mania.
> What I can't understand is that with acquiring Ximian, you'd expect
> Novell to be _the_ GNOME driver (as Ximian was). Sure, I guess a good
> part of the Ximian developers who were working on GNOME are now busy
> with other tasks (e.g. NetworkManager and Zen), but still.
> It just doesn't make any sense to me that the company that has some if
> not most of the lead developers of GNOME (as well as the GNOME project
> lead) on its payroll does not have up-to-date GNOME packages for its
> very own Linux distribution.
Maybe the focus of the *distribution* is just to provide a solid and
will integrated desktop environment, which the provided version of GNOME
provides?
> So either my assumptions are wrong and the former Ximian staff is not
> involved in GNOME development any more, or providing an up-to-date GNOME
> is extremely low priority at Novell and those folks are using Ubuntu or
> Fedora Core on their workstations.
Who cares what they use.
> > Now that 10.1 is out, I suspect we can expect to see 2.14 or 2.15 appear
> > in supplementary (can I just say, I'd prefer to see 2.14, at least at
> > first - good to have something mostly stable in there, but 2.15 in
> > Factory would be good, we can aim to have 2.16 in 10.2).
> GNOME 2.14 has been released March 15, 2 months ago.
Just two months ago? In a corporate environment it is freakin' *RARE*
to see ANY package updated/installed withing 2 months of its release.
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